界面新闻记者 | 刘婷

jinshinianlai，zhongguomianlindeguojimaoyimocariyizengduo，zaioumeibaohuzhuyibuduanshengwendebeijingxia，zhongguochengweimaoyibaohuzhuyidezhuyaoduixiang。qinghuadaxuewudaokoujinrongxueyuanjiangxijiaoshou、guojijinrongyujingjiyanjiuzhongxinzhurenjujiandongzhichu，jubuzhongjianyazhoushichangshipojiemeioujiemaoyibaohuzhuyidayazhongguodeyigeguanjiandian。

tazaijieshoujiemianxinwenzhuanfangshizhichu，zhongmeinaizhizhongoumaoyizhengduandebenzhishishijiezhixudezhonggou。2012nianyilai，quanqiujiazhilianfashenglebiange，congyuanlaimeiguozhudaodeyataijiazhilianhedeguozhudaodeouzhoujiazhiliandeliangjigeju，zhuanbianchengsanzudinglidejiegou，ji：zhongguozhudaodeyazhoujiazhilian，meiguozhudaodebeimeijiazhilian，yijideguozhudaodeouzhoujiazhilian。danyuzhibupipeideshi，quanqiuzhilitixiyouqishijingjizhilitixirengyoumeiguozhudao，zheizhongshijiezhixudejibenmaodunhuifanyingdaofangfangmianmian。

“xianzaideshijiezhixuxuyaofanyingyijingbeigaibiandeshijiejingjijiegou，yejiushisanzudinglidezhixu，zheizhongzhixuyouliyuzhongguo、youliyumeiguo，gengjiayouliyuyizhixunqiuzizhudeouzhou。”jujiandongshuo。

tajinyibubiaoshi，zaituidongxingchengzhongmeiousanzudinglideshijiezhixudeguochengzhong，guanjiandianzaiyujubuzhongjianyazhoushichang。

“duiyuzhongguolaishuo，womenxuyaozhaodaohezhongguoshichanglianxibijiaojinmi、tongshijingjipengbofazhandediqu，zhongxingoujianyigezhongguozhudaodeyefuhedabufenguojialiyideshichangguize。”jujiandongshuo，zheigeguizehendachengdushangkeyijiejianshimaozuzhi（wto）guize。

“zheixieguizeshimeiguozhudaozaiquanqiugoujiande，danmeiguoqinshoubatadasuile。zhongguomeiyoushilizaiquanshijiezhonggouwtoguize，danwomenkeyijubuzhongjian，zheiyeshiwoshuode，zheigeyazhoushichangguimoshi20yidao25yirenkou，erbushi60yi、70yirenkoudeyuanyin。”

jujiandongqiangdiao，zaizheigeguochengzhong，zhongguoxuyao“buchengwang”，jibushituqudaimeiguodeshijiebazhudiwei，yebuyumeiguogongzhi。

“qudaimeiguobaquanbukexing、meihaochu，yebuyinggai。bukexingshiyinweishilihaibugou，meihaochushiduizhongguodebuchangshi，buyinggaishiduishijiedebuchangshi。”jujiandongshuo，ersuoweide“zhongmeigongzhi”leisiyu“qutonglun”，qibenzhishiyaoqiuzhongguofangqidulidejingji、jishu、jinrongzhidu，eryumeiguobangding，zheibushizhongguodezuiyouxuanze。

jujiandongzhangqiyanjiuguojimaoyi、guojijinrongyuchanyezuzhi，cengrenguojihuobijijinzuzhi（imf）changzhuxuezhe、shanghaicaijingdaxueguojigongshangguanlixueyuanyuanzhang，yeshimeiguoekelahemadaxuejingjixizhongshenjiaoshou、zhongguoguojimaoyiyanjiuhuizhuxi。tazaijinqichubandexinshu《daguojingzhengyushijiezhixuzhonggou》zhongchanshuledangqiansanzudinglideshijiejingjigeju，bingchuangzaoxingditichulongduanlirunyuanli、fengongguhuazengzhangxianjingyuanli、shuanglunqudongmoxingdenglilun。gaishujiyuzuozhezaiqinghuadaxuekaishedebenkeshengtongshikecheng“zhongmeimaoyizhengduanyuquanqiuhuazhonggou”yijishushiniandezhuanyeyanjiu、jiaoxueyuqinshenjinglibianxieercheng，weiputongdazhongtigonglijieguojimaoyizhengduanyujinrongzhixudekexueshijiao。

yixiaweicaifangshilu，kanfashiyoubianji。

贸易争端的背后是世界秩序的重构

界面新闻：zheiyilunlunmaoyizhengduandebeihouhuozhebenzhishishenme？zhongouhezhongmeizhengduandeyouheyitong？

鞠建东：worenweibenzhishishijiezhixudezhonggou。guojiajiandemaoyizhengduanshiyigebijiaofuzadewenti，xuyaocongzhengti-jubuliyi、zhangqi-duanqiliyilaifenxi。duanqikan，ouzhoushiyaobaohuzishenqichexingyejiage，zhangqikan，zeshixiwangxiyinzhongguotouzibangzhutashixianchanyeshengji。

xianzaidezhongouzhengduanshouxianshiduanqiliyihejubuliyidemaoyimoca，yu2009nianqianhoudezhongoumaoyimocayouxiangsizhichu，doushiweilebaohuneibushichang，dantongshitayoudaiyouzhangqixinghezhengtixing。congzhengtixingfangmiankan，zhongguozaizhizaoyeyouqishixinnengyuanxingyedejueqi，shideouzhouqichezhizaodengchanyedequanqiulongduandiweishoudaochongji，suoyiouzhouxuyaobaohuzheizhonglongduandiwei。congzhangqiliyichufa，zhongguodechanyeshengjiyeduiouzhoudechanyeshengjidailailechongji。

yixinnengyuanweili，qishixinnengyuanzheimiandaqishiouzhouzuixianjuqilaide，zheiqizhongjiyouyingduiqihoubianhuadekaolv，yeyoushijiliyidekaolv，jiouzhouyishidaozijizaixinxichanyededisancigongyegemingzhongluohouyumeiguo，xiwangtongguoxinnengyuanchanyedejueqi，laizhongxinhuodezhizaoyedelingxiandiwei。danshizhongguohoulaijushang，zaixinnengyuanlingyuyaoyaolingxian，congzheigezhangqiliyichufa，ouzhouyexiwangnenggouyizhizhongguodechanyeshengjilaibaohuzijidechanyeshengji。

yuzhongoumocabutongdeshi，zhongmeizhengduangengjuyanzhongxing。duiyuzhongmeilaishuo，yikaishiwomenyiweizhishimaoyimoca，danshisuizhejushifazhan，zhongguorenshidaoqibenzhishishijiezhixudezhonggou，zheiyeshiyuouzhoubutaiyiyangdedifang。zhongmeifangmian，bushishuozhongguoyaoquzhengduomeiguodelingdaoquan，ershizhongguodefazhanbenshenduimeiguolaishuoyingxianglemeiguoduishijiebaquandezhangkong。danouzhoubenlaijiubushishijiebaquan，zaizheigefangmianshiyoubenzhiqubiede。

界面新闻：jiranouzhouzaiquanqiumeiyouxiangmeiguoyiyangdezhudaodiwei，zhongouzhengduanweishenmeyekeyiyongzhixuzhonggoulaijieshi？

鞠建东：shouxianouzhoushiyiyouguojizhixudeyigezhongyaobufen，yejiushimeiguosuozhudaodequanqiuzhilitixidezhongyaoyihuan。danshi2000nianyihou，zhuyaoshicong2012niankaishi，quanqiujiazhilianzheigejingjijichujiegoufashenglebiange，congyuanlaimeiguozhudaodeyataijiazhilianhedeguozhudaodeouzhoujiazhiliandeliangjigeju，zhuanbianchengsanzudinglidejiegou，ji：zhongguozhudaodeyazhoujiazhilian，meiguozhudaodebeimeijiazhilian，yijideguozhudaodeouzhoujiazhilian。

danyuzhibupipeideshi，xianzaidequanqiuzhilitixiyouqishijingjizhilitixihaishiyoumeiguolaizhudao，zheigeshishijiezhixudejibenmaodun，tahuihuifanyingdaofangfangmianmian。zhongoufangmian，yeyoucongjiyouzhixuxiangxinzhixuzhuanbiandailaidechongjideyinsu。

lingyifangmian，ouzhoudebaohuzhengcehenyouyisi，shijishangshitongguoguanshuishouduanlaituidongzhaoshangyinzi。ouzhoushitongguotigaoguanshui，xiwangzhongzuquanqiuxinnengyuanxingyedeshengchanjiegou。jiushishuo，tabutaixiwangjinkouzhongguochanpin，danshixiwangyinjinzhongguodejishuhetouzi，congerzaiouzhoubentushixianqichanyeshengjidemubiao。zheigen20duonianqianzhongguosuocaiyongdezhaoshangyinzidefangfayoudian“yiqutonggong”，danshiwomenzaichanpinshichangshangshikaifangde，meiyouduijinchukoufangmiandebaohu。

构建亚洲共同体是破解之道

界面新闻：zhongmeidaguojingzhengkanqilaisihushibiwukebi。neizaizheizhongjingzhengzhong，juedingxingyinsuyounaxie？

鞠建东：zhongguonengbunenggoujianyigeyizhongguoshichangweihexinde20yidao25yirenkouguimodeyazhoushichang，yejiushigoujianyazhougongtongti，zheishipojiemeioudayazhongguodeyigeguanjiandian。

jiranbenzhishishijiezhixuzhizheng，wobuyidingfeiyaogenniduida“guanshuipai”。nikeyiyuzhongguotuogou，danyuyazhoutuogoujiuhennan，suoyiwomenxuyaojianlizijidegenjudi。

界面新闻：suoyizheiyeshizhongguojiarurcep（“quyuquanmianjingjihuobanguanxixieding”）dengquyuxingzimaoxiedingdeyigeyiyi？

鞠建东：bushi。rcepyehao，cptpp（“quanmianyujinbukuataipingyanghuobanguanxixieding”）yehao，zheixiedoubushizhongguozhudaode，yebunengwanquanfanyingzhongguoxinjinchuxiandecanyuxinzhixugoujiandesuqiu。biru，womenxiangyaotupomeiguodejishufengsuo、xinpianzhanzheng，danzheiyangdesuqiuzairceplimiandoudebudao。

muqiandeyazhouzhixuzhuyaoshimeiguoheribenzhudao，zhongguoyaozhongqiluzao，shouxianyaoxiangqingchuwomendaodiyaoshenme。

duiyuzhongguolaishuo，womenxuyaozhaodaohezhongguoshichanglianxibijiaojinmi、tongshijingjipengbofazhandediqu，zhongxingoujianyigezhongguozhudaodeyefuhedabufenguojialiyideshichangguize，yejiushiwtoguize。zheixieguizeshimeiguozhudaozaiquanqiugoujiande，danmeiguoqinshoubatadasuile。zhongguomeiyoushilizaiquanshijiezhonggouwtoguize，danwomenkeyijubuzhongjian，zheiyeshiwoshuode，zheigeyazhoushichangguimoshi20yidao25yirenkou，erbushi60yi、70yirenkoudeyuanyin。

guoquduonian，wojingchanghuiyudaoxifangzhuanjia。tamenjingchanghuiwen，zaizhongmeijingzhengzhong，meiguodesuqiuqishihenjiandan，jiushiyaoshijiebaquan，danshizhongguoyaoshenme？shiyaotiaozhanmeiguodeshijiebaquanma？wozaixinjinchubande《daguojingzhengyushijiezhixuzhonggou》yishu，tigonglefeichangmingquedehuida：womenyaodeshisanzudinglideshijiezhixu。

xianzaideshijiezhixuxuyaofanyingyijingbeigaibiandeshijiejingjijiegou，yejiushisanzudinglidezhixu。zheizhongzhixuyouliyuzhongguo、youliyumeiguo，gengjiayouliyuyizhixunqiuzizhudeouzhou。

zaizheigeguochengzhong，zhongguoxuyao“buchengwang”，zheiyoulianggehanyi，yishibushituqudaimeiguodeshijiebaquan，ershibuyumeiguogongzhi。shouxian，qudaimeiguobaquanbukexing、meihaochu，yebuyinggai。“bukexing”shiyinweishilihaibugou，“meihaochu”shiduizhongguodebuchangshi，“buyinggai”shiduishijiedebuchangshi。suowei“zhongmeigongzhi”shibugaibianmeiguozhudaodeshijiezhixu，zhongguozhishizuoweimeiguoshilidebuchong，bangzhumeiguoguanlishijie，yejiushileisi“qutonglun”，yaoqiuzhongguofangqidulidejingji、jishu、jinrongzhidu，eryumeiguobangding，zheibushizhongguodezuiyouxuanze。

人民币成为国际货币是重中之重

界面新闻：《daguojingzhengyushijiezhixuzhonggou》yishuzhong，youyigeguandianlingwoyinxiangshifenshenke，jiushininrenweirenminbichengweiguojihuobikeyiyumeiyuanfendanzhanzhengfengxian。ninnenghewomenzaiduofenxiangyixiezheifangmiandeneirongma？

鞠建东：renminbiguojihuafeichangzhongyao。zaizhonggoushijiezhixudezhongmeijingzhengzhong，chanyejingzheng、jishujingzheng、junshililiangzheixiedouhenzhongyao，danzuizhongyaodeshirenminbiguojihua，erzheiyidianqiaqiabeidajiahulvele，zheigehuatidetaolunyebugouchongfen。

meiguodeshijiebaquanzhuyaoyousanfangmiandezhicheng：junshi、jishu、meiyuan。qizhongzuizhongyaodeshimeiyuan。duorenmeiguozongtongdoumingqueshuoguo，meiguodezuihexinliyishimeiyuan。danshi2018nianzhihou，quanqiujingjiyujinrongtixidejibenmaodun，jiquanqiujiazhiliansanzudinglidejiegouyumeiyuanzhudaodeguojihuobitixibupipeidemaodunyuelaiyuejianrui。

woweishenmeshuorenminbichengweiguojihuobishishijiehepingdebiyaotiaojian？conglixingfangmianfenxi，zhanzhengqishishiyigequanhengshouyihoudexuanze。huigulishi，dangshouyidayuchengbenshi，meiguojiukenengbuxifadongchongtu。biru，1999niandekesuowozhanzheng，zuizhongyaodechufadianjiushibaohumeiyuan。zhiyaoshijieyoudongdang，zibenjiuhuiliuxiangmeiyuanzichan。

ruorenminbibukeziyouduihuan，zemeiyuanyiranshishijiehuobi，meiyuanjijiadezichanshibixianzichan。dangjunshichongtufashengshi，quanqiuzichanjiuhuiliuxiangmeiguo，jinerzhichimeiguojiqimengyoudejingji、jishuyujunshishili。ruorenminbikeziyouduihuan，zejunshichongtusuodailaidefengxianduiyuzhongmeishuangfangshiduichengde，jifengxianzhuyaoyoujunshishiliyifangchengdan，quanqiuzijinjianghuicongshilifangliuxianghuolifang。zaizheiyiqingjingxia，weilebimianjinrongweijijinyibudailaijingjiweijiheshehuiweiji，meiguoyoukenengxunqiuyuzhongguotingzhichongtu，shixianhezuo。zaimeiguoyuanyitingzhichongtu，zouxianghepingdeqiantixia，zhongguoyekeneng“yihuobihezuohuanheping”，zhizhimeiyuanbengkuidequshi，congerzhubushixianguojihuobitixicongmeiyuanzhudaoxiangsanzudinglideduoyuanguojihuobitixidehepingzhuanhuan。

wodangranlijierenminbiguojihuashijianhennandeshiqing。biru，renminbiyaochengweiguojihuobi，shouxianxuyaokaifangzibenzhanghu，zheihuidailaiyixiliedefengxian，biruzibenwailiu。danwoxiangshuodeshi，renminbichengweiguojihuobishibijishuliguogengzhongyaohepoqiedeshiqing，shiraobukaideyibu，womenxuyaoshouxianxiadingjuexin。

ciwai，wohaixiangqiangdiaodeshi，renminbichengweiguojihuobi，meiyuanyebufuxianzaizheimeqiangshideshijiebaquanhuobidiwei，zheiduimeiguoyeshiyouhaochude。meiyuanhuiguibenwei，meiguojingjijiegougengjiajiankang，zheiduiputongmeiguominzhongcaigengyouhao。yinweimeiyuanzuoweibaquanhuobidailaideliyizhuyaochujihuaerjie、jinrongdaedengfurenjieceng，duiyuhenduogenbenmeiyougushizhanghudemeiguoputonglaobaixinglaishuo，qishihuoyibuda。