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guojijiaoyuzaizhongguorengshiyigubukehushideliliang。shujuxianshi，zhongguodaluyiyou1300yusuoguojihuaxuexiao。zaiguoqushinianjian，meinianxinzengguimojibenbaochizai50suoyishang。

zhongguoneidik12jieduandeguojijiaoyu，jinglilecongbenshijichu“kaizhepaoche”，daorujindejiduneijuan。shuizhangchuangaodebiaohuachengji，huanlaiguowaidaxueluqumenjiandebeiposhenggao。

wangpusuoguanlideshanghainuomeixuexiaochengliyu2017nian，shiyisuoquanrizhi、jisuzhideguojihuaxuexiao。qisuoshudenuomeijiaoyujituan，shinianjianxianhoucanyuqisuoguojixuexiao/guojikechengdekaibanjihezuoyunying。hexintuanduizi2004nianqicongshiguojijiaoyuzhijin，shizhongguoguojijiaoyulingyuzuizaodekaituozhezhiyi。

ciqian，wangpucenglianxu17nianrenzhiyuzhongguoneidizuizaoyipizhaoshouzhongguoxueshengdeguojihuaxuexiao，xianhoudanrenxuekejiaoshi、banzhuren、zhongcengguanlijixiaozhangzhiwu。

huiwangguoqu20duonian，wangpurenwei，guojijiaoyudezhongdianbingweigaibian，yijiushifengfudeyouzhijiaoyuziyuan。zhongguoneidijiazhangyoubeidongzhuanxiangzhudongguihua。

界面教育：何种契机让你踏入国际教育行业？

王普：1988nian，woshiyiminggaozhongjiaoshi，lianzhesannianjiaogaosan，dangshiyijingkaishitichangsuoweidesuzhijiaoyu，duigaokaozhihuibangxiadeyingshijiaoyuyeshiyoufanside。dangwolejiedaohaiyoubucanjiagaokaojiukeyishengxuedexuexiaoshi，yirandalegefangxiangpan，zai2000nianconggonglixuexiaozhuanruguojijiaoyu。

biqitaoli，tagengduoshiyizhongzhudongxuanze。zhihouwobianfaxian，zaiguojijiaoyuzheitiaosaidaoshang，shengxuebushiziziyiqiudemubiao，tayinggaishishuidaoquchengdejieguo。

zaishengxueshang，xiangduitizhineidegaokaoeryan，guojijiaoyuyijinruzhongguojiutixianchujiaodayoushi。dangshiyouyigetongsudebiyu，ruguoshuogaokaojiao“qianjunwanmajidumuqiao”，neimeguojijiaoyujiushi“kaizhepaochepaogaosulu”。

界面教育：中国内地的国际教育在过去20年间经历了哪些显著变化？

王普：congzhongdianshangkanshimeiyoubianhuade。duiyuxuanzeguojijiaoyudezhongguohaizilaijiang，guowaideyouzhijiaoyuziyuanyuelaiyuefengfu。suiranshuoguowaigebiexuexiaodeluqunanduzengda，danzheihewomenjiaoyudeneijuanshixiangguande。

qidianyoumingxianbianhua，jiazhangdeqidaizhigenggaole。zuichu，tamenxuanzeguojijiaoyugengduoshichuyubeidong，yinweihaizichengjibuhao，kaobushangputonggaozhong，jiashangjiatingjingjitiaojianyunxudeng，jiazhangtongchangzhixiwanghaizinengshenqingshangguowaidezhengjingdaxue、erfeiyejidaxuejike。

xianzai，zaibeishangguangshenzheixieguojijiaoyugaodi，yijiyixieersanxianchengshidejiazhangmen，yijingkaishizhudongguihuahaizizouguojiluxian。shenzhiyibufenjiazhanghehaizibuzaibashijieqianbaiqiangdaxuedangyihuishile，tamendemuguangdingzhemeiguotengxiaohuoshiyingguoniujin、jianqiaozheileimingxiao。

界面教育：选择国际化教育的家庭数量呈现扩大趋势，你认为增长背后有哪些驱动力？

王普：diyi，shitaolixintai。weiletaoli“qianjunwanmaguodumuqiao”degaokao，huanyigesaidao，ranghaizinengyoujihuijinrugenghaodedaxue。

dier，jiazhangduiguojihuaxuexiaolejieyujiachongfen。zaiwokanlai，zhenzhengdeguojihuagaozhong，qikechengjianshehehuodongshejishifuwuyuxueshengchengzhangde，bingfeizhiweiraoshengxue。jiazhangyeyishidao，haizi15-18suizheigejieduanshijiazhiguanhesiweifangshidingxingdeshiqi，zaiguojihuaxuexiaonenghuodebuyiyangdechengzhangtiyan。

disan，duihaiziweilaichengzhangfangxiangdeqidai，zhuzhongquanqiushengrenlidepeiyang，jizaiguojiyuduoyuanhuawenhuahuanjingzhongyouxiaoxuexi、gongzuo、yurenxiangchudenengli。suiranshuomuqiansuizheguojixingshidebianhua，dajiaduiquanqiuhuakenengyouyidianbeiguan，danwoyizhishileguande，woxiangxinhenduojiazhangyeshileguande。

界面教育：国际化教育在中国内地有哪些发展阶段？

王普：guojihuajiaoyuzaizhongguofazhanyousigejieduan。diyijieduanshi“yixiangqingyuan”，waiguokechengzhinengjiaojiwaiguoren，zhuyaoshiwaijirenyuanzinvxuexiao。

dierjieduancongshangshiji90niandaichukaishi，yinruguowaikechengtixi，kaishimianxiangzhongguoren，dantichangdeshididaodewaiguojiaoyu。

disanjieduanshiyu2005nianqianhou，yixiecongyezhefaxianjincongshengxueweidukan，didaodewaiguojiaoyuhuoxugenghao，dankenenghuibahaizipeiyangchengyongyouwanquanxihuajiazhiguanhesiweifangshideren，yushikaishiyouyishidebazhongguowenhuayuguojikechengxiangronghe。

disijieduanshizhongxikechengderonghe，zai2013nianqianhoujibenyijingchengshule。zaiwenhuazheigewentishang，wojiburenke“xifengyadaodongfeng”，yebuguli“dongfengyadaoxifeng”。

界面教育：在你看来，评判一所好学校的维度有哪些？

wangpu：congshijianweidushangqukan，keyifenduanqi、zhongqiheyuanqi。

duanqikanshengxue， zheileixuexiaobingfeishiyinweikechengtebiechuse，ershikaoduanqineihaodeshengxuechengjichengweijiazhangzhuipengdexuexiao。zhongqikanwenhua，xuexiaoshijiyuzijidewenhua，cainengjianshekechengheduiwu，yijipinggubiaozhunhepinggutixi。zhangqikanxiaoyou，biyeshengzaishehuidefazhanjuedingzheisuoxuexiaonengfouchengweimingxiao。

womenxiangranghaizizaijinrushehuihou，doujubeichaoqiangdekechixufazhannengli。zheizhongnenglibushiyigerendeshengguanfacai、gongminglilulaipingjia，ershiyinenggouweishehuidailaiduodagongxian、weirenleidailaiduodafuzhilaipingpan。

banguojijiaoyu，rangxueshengshangmingxiaoshizuijiandandeyijianshi。danhenduorenweiraoshengxue，baguojijiaoyudouzuochengshengyi，youbeijingtishengdegongsi，youzuopinjidegongsi，bashenmedougaochengyingshijiaoyu。

youxiexuexiaobuguanhaizinengfoucongniujinjianqiaobiye，zhiguanxinshenqingjinlejiuhao，henduojigouhejiazhangyetongyangruci。buguanzhulizi，zhiguanzhumianzi。daxueguanhuxueshengdezishenxiuyanghegerenmengxiang，tongshiyeshigerennenglihuodetishengdeguocheng，ruguozhidingzheneizhangbiyezheng，neijiangshifeichangkexideshi。

界面教育：你如何看待中国内地的家长文化？

王普：guojijiaoyuzaizhongguorengranshigerenzhongdaoyuandeshiqing。jiazhanghefumushilianggegainian，zhongguofumuxuyaozhuanbianwei“jiazhang”，zhiyouzheiyang，buguanshitizhineijiaoyuhaishiguojihuajiaoyu，cainengzhenzhenghuiguijiaoyudebenlaimianmu。

zhongguojiazhangpubiancunzaijiyuzhangkonghaizidejiaolv，xuzuohaojiaxiaogoutong。wojianyi，diyi，zuohaizidetiexinren，ranghaiziyouhuayuanyihenijiang，yegangennijiang；dier，zuohaizideguihuazhehelingluren；disan，jiazhangbuyaoyonggerendehaoeheganshoulaipingjiaxuexiaodejiaoyuxingwei，yaoyonghaizidechengzhangjieguohefangxianglaipingjia；zuihou，zaijiaoyuzheigewentishangbuyaozhejijiaolv，shizhequpeiban、xinshanghedengdai。

界面教育：“双减”政策以及民促法的实施对中国内地K12国际化教育带来哪些机遇？

王普：guojijiaoyucongyezhejiyaoyouxionghuai，gengyaoyoudingli。“shuangjian”zhengcebiaomiankan，jiandeshixueshengdexuexifudan，shijishangjiandeshijiazhangheshehuidejiaolv。zhenzhengzuojiaoyudecongyezhe，buyinggaishouwaijieyinsudeganrao，zhiyaoshiduihaizichengzhangbulideewaifudan，quandoujiandiaoyeshimeiyouwentide。

lingyifangmian，zhiyaoduihaizidechengzhangyoubangzhu，tamenyuanyiduzaiduodeshu、shanggengduodeke，womenweishenmeyaojijiandiaoni？duiyu“shuangjian”，wojuedecongguojiadedazhengfangzhenshangkan，tayidingshiduide，chulejianqufudanhejiaolvwai，yeshiduiyixieyishengxueweidaoxiangdexuexiaodezhengcejiupian。

duiyuguojihuaxuexiaolaijiang，huiyouyixiezhengceshangdekunrao，yinweizaizhixingguochengzhongnanmianhuichuxianyidaoqiedexianxiang，danzheibushizhuliu，bushiwenti。

界面教育：进入教育行业这么多年以来，你是否有曾经深信不疑，现在却有所怀疑的事情？

王普：wozijijiushizaibuduandeziwofoudingzhongchengzhangde。wocengjingshenxinbuyideyijianshiqingshi，haizidedushuyuanbishijianzhongyao。danxianzai，worenweizhenzhengdeshehuishijianyuelaiyuezhongyao，yishidaogurensuoshuode“duwanjuanshuxingwanlilu”dezhihui。

zaiziwofoudingfangmian，yikaishijiechuguojijiaoyudeshihou，woduitarenkededuo，pipingdeshao。xianzaizeduizhongguochuantongwenhua、jiazhiguanhesiweifangshiyoulexinderenshi，jishishizaipeiyangquanqiushengrenlizheiyangyizhonghuayubeijingtixixia，zheixieyebiandeyuelaiyuezhongyao。