“yiqiangeduzheyanliyouyiqiangehamuleite”。zhengrumeigerenxinzhongdouyouzijilixiangzhongdeshenghuofangshi，keyixuanzezijixihuandeshenghuochangjing。suizheshehuidegaosufazhan，dangdairendeshenghuofangshifashengjiegouxingbianhua。zheizhongbianhua，bujinshinianling、diyu、wenhuachengduheshouruzheixiewulixingchayizaochengde，gengshishenghuofangshijiyishixingtaidengjiazhiguanchayidailaide。meigerendouzaichaozhehuozaizijidelixiangshijiequzheqianxing。

zhongguozhujuwenhuayuanyuanliuzhang，gurenzhuiqiude“tianrenheyi、shanshuixiangrong、xuewenbiaoxian、renlunlixu”dengjingjiewomendounengzaigujianzhuzhongmide。ersuizhewoguodejingjifazhanyijiguolizengqiang，xingchengyizhongbentuyishihuiguihewenhuazixinzhangxian。zhongguorendejiazhiguannian、chushizhexue、shenghuofangshiheshenmeiquwei，yebeiyunyongdaojianzhubuju、xingzhi、yuanlindazaodengzhujushejisilushang。suiranshidaibeijingbutong，danqizhongyunhandewenhuajingsuiyingshiyimaixiangcheng。

2022nian8yue，shoujie【xinguochaodahui】jiangjuban，jiangjijiedingjizhuanjiaxuezhe、guochaopinpaizhuliren、zhuliumeitirengongtongtantaoguochaopinpaizengzhangli，zhulizhongguojingjishuangxunhuan。youjiemianloushi、jiemianchengshipindaoyu《chengshi huanjing sheji》（ued）zazhilianhecehuadejiemianchengshiguanchazhuanlan，dujiaduihuayijiezhongboshi，gongtongtantaodangdaishenghuofangshibianqianduizhongguozhujuwenhuadeyingxiangheyiyi。

以下为对话实录：

界面楼市：jinshinianlai，xinxingchengzhenhuaqushijinyibufazhan，chengshiyouzengliangfazhanjinrucunliangfazhanshidai。zaichengshigaomidutiaojianxia，renmenduiyujuzhuxuqiudeneihanhebianjiezhengzaifashengshenkebianhua，renmenbuzhishiyaojiejuezhudewenti，haizairuhetishengshenghuopinzhiyuxinshenghuofangshishangbuduantansuo，suizhehulianwangquanmianshengjiyupujibirangeshigeyangdexinjuzhumoshi。ninjuededangxiaguorendejuzhufangshizhengzaichengxianzenyangdegaibianhuoqushi？

易介中：dangjinshehuimianlinzheliangdajiyu，yigeshirenkoulaolinghuajiasu，erqieyouyuyiqingzhangqijujiagouwu、shuashipinyujiankangmade“bixuhua”shideyinfazuzhinengshoujiyingyongpujilvdadaolexingao；suizhelaolinghuashehuidelailin，biranhuichuxianrenmenshenghuojuzhufangshidegaibian，kongjianhefuwude“shilaohuahuoquanlinghua”shiwomenbixuyaozhengshidewentiyuxinjiyu。zhengruwomenxianzaizhengzaizuodechengshigengxin（youjigengxin/weigengxin），xuduoshizhenduishequyanglaoxinshengtaiquandegainianqushishihetansuode。erlingyigezhongyaofangxiangshiteseshenghuofangshiyurichangshenghuofangshidechuangxinronghe，biruzaiyiqinghou，renmenbukenideweilaishenghuogongzuofangshijianghuijiasujubian，youqishijujiabangong、waimaipeisong、tuangoudengchengweirenmenxindeshenghuobiaopei，gengbuyongshuoweilaideyuanyuzhouyuzhihuishequdengzhongduochuangxinyingyongchangjing，xianeryijiandejiatinglidejianzhusheji、kongjianguanxi、jiajusheji、wangluogongnengdouyaozuochuxiangyingdechuangxin，yangtaiyaokeyitingwurenjijiesonghuo，chuantongchufanggongnengzehuibeijianjianruohua，meijiameihudoupeibeiweixingchuizhishuipeishucaijiqi...。suoyoudebianhuadouhuixingchengweilaishenghuofangshixinchanye，congerchanshengxinxingdesaidao、xingyehefengkou。

界面楼市：dangxia，chengshifazhankaishijujiaoxindelingyu：shengtaihuanjing、lishijiazhi、wenhuadaoxiang、chanyeshengji、zhihuishenghuodeng。qishiwomenmeigerendoushenghuozaizhongguochengshijianzhuzirandefazhanheyanbiandangzhong。qingwenzaixinshidaibeijingxia，zhongguochengshijianzhuyinggaiyouzhezenyangdeshidaitedian？

易介中：zaizheivucacuozongfuzadeshijie，chengshijianzhubenlaiyinggaijuyougaodukechixu、danxing、renxing、suishikeyidiaozhenggongnengdekongjianxingtai，henkexiwomenchengshidejuecezheyushejishipubianchongmanzhe“puxinsixiang”。bushiwobumingbai，zheishijiebianhuakuai。dangyigejianzhucongkaishishejidaozuihouwangongdeshijiancha，wojuedeyoudagailvshiwangongjiukaishiluohou，zheihaishizhiquanqiulingxiansixiangdejianzhushizuoshejile，xinjishu、xinsiwei、xinyetaicengchubuqiong，ru5g、wulianwang、rengongzhineng、qukuailian、shuzirenminbidengxinjishujianghuixunsudebutingdegaibianrenleideshenghuofangshi、shejiaofangshideng。suoyigaihaolejiushiyigejiangubukedongyaodedajiahuojianzhubixuyaoyongyoujuyoushiyingxing、keyisuishigaizaoyishiyingweilaishenghuodekongjian。shuodaodi，dicengluojijiushiyaobuzhetengdiqiu，yaoditanhuanbao，womenyouxinghuozaiyigejizhizhuiqiutanzhonghededahuanbaoshidai，gaonenghao、gaocailiaohaofei、laoshichaichaigaigaidejianzhuwuhemeiyoulinghuoshiyingxingdekongjianjiegou，bukehuishou、guodubaozhuang、yuanjuliwuliudengdoushiyaobeitaotaide。ruguonideshejisixiangnengbatanzhonghelijietouche，neimeyiqiewentidoukeyiyingrenerjiele。

界面楼市：zhongguochuantongjianzhuzuoweizhongguowenhuadeyibufen，duidangdaizhongguojianzhudeshejiyingxiangjihe？

易介中：zhongguochengshijuminpubianshenghuozaiyou“weiqiang”dexiaoquli，weiheqilaideshequ，jiuxianggudaidelifangyiyang，xianzaihaishijibendeshequjiegou，biekantahenfengbi，danshiquerengranbaoliuzhenengzijizizudegezhongkenengxing，xiangxiangyixiajiarumeigeshequdouyoujibendeshequyiyuan、caiyuanguoyuan、shejiaojiyundongchangsuo、shenghuoxingtaishangye，zaijiashangweilaisohoshenghuomoshi，qiburenxingshizu、lvseditan、jiankangkuaile。kankanzhongguogujianzhubenshenjiujuyouhengaoshiyingxinghelvseditansixiangde，tajibencaiyongkuangjiajiegou，qianghemendoulinghuokebian，gezhonggouzhujianyeshihulianxiangtong，feichangliyugengxingaizao。conghuanggongdadian、miaoyuzaidaominjujibendoushicaiyongtongyangdejiegouluoji，yibubianyingwanbian。zheiyezhengshixianzai“tanzhonghe”kechixushengtaifazhansiweidejizhibiaoxian。chuantongjianzhuhexiandaisiweikexuedezhongdiele，woxianzaideqizhongyigeshiyejiushichuangxinxingfuyuanjuliangdegujianchaiqianbaoliudegujiangoujian，bichuantonggangjinhunningtu、gangjiegoudejianzhuyouyisiduole。

界面楼市：dangdaizhongguojianzhuzhong，wuluncongyuansuhaishikongjianshang，douyouzhechuantongjianzhuhechuantongkongjiandeyingzi，yekeyishuoshiyizhongchuancheng。zaixiandaizhuzhaixiangmudeshejizhong，youhenduojiejianzhongguochuantongjianzhuwenhuayuansudeneirong，biru，yanjiao、lixudeng，qingwenninjuedezheixiechuantongwenhuayuansuzaixiandaichengshishenghuomeixuezhongbanyanzhezenyangdejiaose？youqizhenaxiezhiguanzhongyaodezuoyong？

易介中：shenweizhongguoren，quanshenshangxialiliwaiwaiguzilidoushi“zhonghuafuhao”。wodeyixingjiushibianselongxiangxingwenziyanbianguolaide，suoyiwoguziliyizhibubiandejiushi“bian”。zhongguojiushifuhaodaguo，zhonghuawenhuajiushiwomenwulunchuanxizhuangyongshoujihekafeidoubuhuisihaogaibiande“wenhuajiyin”，youqishigezhongfuhaobaoweilewomen，buguannixibuxihuan，zaiqianweideguojijianzhushizuoleguojiatiyuguanyede“beifuhao”wei“niaochao”，zaizenmeqianweidejianzhuyelibukai“shanshui”“taihushi”dengzhonghuaminzuxiguandefuhao，wojiubuxiangxinzhongguoyouyigeqianweijianzhushigenjuecezhehuibaofanganshuowozuodejiushiyige“juzhujiqidefanghezi”，neishikebuxiyecaiyoudetequan。jiranraolairaoqudoulibukaifuhaohua，yejiumeiyousuoweizheigefuhaobineigefuhaogaojideshuofaba，fuhaowulunshihouxiandaiduiji、gushixian、chuangyilaiyuan、shejiliniandoukeyi，zhiyaoshixiangtongyongtu、xiangtongyezhu、xiangtongzaojia、xiangtongshijiandengxiangtongtiaojian，sheinengzuochugenggaomingdeshejisheicaishizhidebeizunjingde。pirutimujiushidatangzhutifenggeshoumenpiaode5ajingqu，xiaofeizhejiushilvxingtuanweizhu，nandaobuzuochuyidui“laobaixingxinmuzhongdefanggujianfuhao”，gaiweizuochuyiduixiandaixingtaide“jianzhushiyixiangtangfeng”，chulejianzhushidetieganfensiyiwaihuiyourenmaimenpiaojinqukanma？ruguozaiqinhuangdaohaibiandeaneiyabuzuochutaohaotedingxiaozhongshequnde“qianyanjietoufuhao”jianzhuqunyushenghuofangshinengxingma？

界面楼市：jinnianlai，guochaoxingqi，yinlingwenhuafuxing。wulunshiguochaowenchuang，haishihanfuhelizhizainianqingrenzhongdefuxing，zheixieguochaowenhuajidangdainianqingrendailaileyizhongheyiwangbutongdezhuixunmubiao。keyishuoxinzhongshishenmeidezhujuwenhuashengdongyanyilefanhuadoushizhongdeshiyiqiju。neimezainindelijiezhong，xiandaixinzhongshizhuzhaiyoubiaozhunma？yinggaihangainaxieyuansu？

易介中：nitiwenlide“guochao”yangeyiyilaishuoyinggaishizhidaguochaofengzhixiadeyigefenzhi，jizhonghuachuantongwenhuachuangyi，zhongguozshidaiguzilizhendejiuxihuanzhonghuawenhua，tamenbeichengwei“hulianwangyuanzhumin”，suoyoujiechudexinxiwulunxiangcunhaishichengshidoushiquanqiuhuasiweide。zaizheizhongxinxifadadehuanjingli，tamenhenrongyiganshoudaoshenzaiyigeweidaqiangdadehaoshidai，beijingaoyun、shanghaishibohui、gaotie、hangtianshiyedengminzuzihaoganziranerranxingchengwenhuazixin。suoyishuoguochaofuxingcongyidingchengdushangshitongguochuangxinkejixinmeitichuanbofunengzhonghuachuantongwenhuade。

xinzhongshizhuzhaidegainianqishiwomenyijingtanlekuai20nianle，tashixiandaizhuyijianzhudaohouxiandaideyigewenhuazixinshenghuofangshi，zhishihenjiuyiqianxinzhongshishiweilediyipixianfuqilaidegaozhiliangrenqundazaode，xianzaiyinggaishimianduisuoyoukehuquntidejibenfazhanmoshile。xinzhongshigainianshouxianlibukaidangdaizhongguorenganjueshufudeshenghuochangjing，zheigeshisuizhechengshi、renqunzhuangkuangersuishixuyaodiaozhengde，wojuedezuizhongyaodeshi，xiwangjianzhushimenduoyanjiusikaogaomidugaocengdexinzhongshizhuzhaiyuanjing，zheicaishiyoujiazhidetansuo，youqishishineisheji、shenghuowujianjijiajushejishimen，zheishinimenzuihaodeshidai，dajiahaohaosikaozheigelibukaishouji、diannao、huijiageyoutandexinzhongshishenghuofangshiba。

界面楼市：womenzheigelanmu，youyigexiangchangshitansuodezhuti：“dangdaizhongguorenlixiangzhongdefangzi”。ninjuededangdaizhongguorenlixiangzhongdefangziyinggaijuyounaxieyaosuhuozhebiaozhun？

易介中：zheigewentiwoyongyuanfangzaidiyideshi“zhongguorenrenrenyoufangzidelixiang”ruhemanzu？jiexialaiwoxiwangnengcongxiaoqu、jingguan、jianzhu、shinei、jiaju、shenghuowujian、qifenzhuangzhi、yishu、zhizaidengdangdaizhongguorenxihuandeshenghuochangjinglaiyiyitansuo。wohuizhanzaicehuashi、guihuashi、jianzhushidejiaodu，xiwangdazaoqingyinengshiyingweilaishenghuoduobiandedanxingkongjianyugongxiangshenghuotixi，jianshegaocenggaomidubuzai“hebushiroumi”dehuangmiuluoji“yijubiaozhun”，dazaofuheweilaidaliangchengshixinzengrenkouxuyaomianduiderenduodishaotesedeyijubiaozhun，youqishidazaorangrenmenfudandeqi、zhudeqidefangzi，zheijiushiworenwei“dangdaizhongguorenlixiangzhongdefangzi”。