zaizhongguoshangxiawuqianniandeyoujiulishizhong，xianrenchuangzaoledushuyizhidejianzhuwenhua。suizhesuiyuedebianqian，zhongguogujianzhudemeilibuyinshijiandeliushierxiaosan，queyinshijiandejileierdiyunyujiashenhou，xiyinzheyuelaiyueduodemuguang。zaixiandaishenghuozhong，gujianzhuzuoweiwenhuayichanhezaiti，rangrenmenganshoudaogujianzhuzhimeihewenhuadiyun。jinnianlai，“guochao”xingqi，chuantonggujianzhuyuansuyuxiandaijianzhuderonghekaishiyoulegengduodeshijian。xiangxinweilaidejianzhuhuizaichuanchengyuchuangxin、duteyuronghefazhanzhonghuanfachuxindeshengminglihechuangzaoli。

2022nian8yue，shoujie【xinguochaodahui】jiangjuban，jiangjijiedingjizhuanjiaxuezhe、guochaopinpaizhuliren、zhuliumeitirengongtongtantaoguochaopinpaizengzhangli，zhulizhongguojingjishuangxunhuan。youjiemianloushi、jiemianchengshipindaoyu《chengshi huanjing sheji》（ued）zazhilianhecehuadejiemianchengshiguanchazhuanlan，dujiaduihualiulinanjiaoshou，gongtongtantaochuantongjianzhuwenhuaduixiandaishenghuofangshideyingxiangheyiyi。

以下为对话实录：

界面楼市：中国古代建筑历史源远流长，在历史的长河中，每一个时代的建筑都有着自己的特点，请问让您印象最深刻的是哪个时代？作为审美主体的话，您对哪种中国古典建筑风格最欣赏？

刘临安：congguangyifanweieryan，gudaijianzhuwenhuasuoninglianerchengdejianzhuyijingshangshengweiyizhongwenhuayichan。gudaijianzhushiwenhuayichanlimiantiliangzuida、fenbuzuiguangdeyizhongleixing。womenjintiannenggouqinyanmududegudaijianzhu，lirubeijinggugong、suzhouyuanlin，jibendoushiming、qingshiqiyiliuxialaide，tixianzhedangshidejianzhuwenhuahejianzhufengge，shichuanchengbaoliuxialaideyizhongyouxiudechuantongjianzhuwenhua。zhiyugengzaoshiqidejianzhu，nenggoujiaoweiwanzhengdibaoliudaojintian，shishufengmaolinjiaole。

ruguoshuoduinageshidaidegujianzhuzuiweixinshang，wogerenbijiaoxinshangtang、songshiqidejianzhu。yinweineigeshiqidejianzhuyoulianggetedian。diyi，jianzhuxingzhifazhandexiangdangchengshu，jianzhufenggedianyaguili；dier，tangsongjianzhudewenhuachengjiuxiangwaichuanbo，yingxiangbojidongnanya。jianzhuwenhuajiuxiangzhongzi，chengshuyihoujiuyaosixiakuosan，jiuyaoluodishenggen，jiuyaofayachengzhang。jintianwomendaohanguo、riben、yuenan、menggudengguojia，doubunankandaozhongguojianzhuwenhuatoushedeyingzi。

界面楼市：中国古典建筑的精神内核是什么？它和中国古典文学、绘画和其他艺术之间有怎样有趣的关联？

刘临安：zhongguojianzhuzaishejilinianshang，shizhongbingchizhe“zhonghezhouzheng”dejibensixiang，zheishiyigehendadetedian。womenkeyizhuyidaogudaijianzhudouyouyigemingquedezhongzhouxianhewanzhengdebianjie，bulunchengshi、gongdian、simiao、zhaidi。womendounengkandao“zhonghezhouzheng”yingzaosixiangdetixian。

zhongguodejianzhuwenhuayuwenxueyishuchuangzuozhijiandelianxiyeshijinmide。birupingjiegudaisidaminglouerchuangzuochulaideyoumeishiju，《tengwanggexu》de“luoxiayuguwuqifei”、《dengguanquelou》de“yuqiongqianlimu，gengshangyicenglou”、《huanghelou》de“xirenyichenghuanghequ，cidikongyuhuanghelou”deng，zheidoushiyoujianzhueryinfadeshixing，tixianchuyizhongkongjianyijingherenwenqinghuaidejiaozhi。zheizhongkongjianyijingherenwenqinghuaidejiaozhizaisuzhouyuanlinjiubiaoxiandegengweilinlijinzhile。zhongguochuantongzaoyuanlilunzhongyouyigeshuyujiaozuo“wenjingxiangyin”，shuodejiushiwencaiyujingzhishijiaozhizaiyiqide，shikeyixianghubixingde。“jubeiyaomingyue，duiyingchengsanren”，zheishiduodadekongjianyijinghelangmanqinghuaia！

界面楼市：建筑的形式或空间语言其实也是一种精神文化的表达。几十年以来，多元文化思潮不仅影响了西方，也影响了中国人的思想和行为方式，同时衍生了新的建筑语言。请问，当代中国建筑呈现着怎样的特点？

刘临安：zhongguojianzhuwenhuahewaiguojianzhuwenhuagejuyoushi，yinweizaigezidewenhuaquanlishengzhangleshangqiannian，kendinghuichanshengzijidewenhuajingcui。butongwenhuaquanlichanshengdejianzhuchengjiugebuxiangtong。suoyizaixinxishidai，bicizhijianjiushixuyaohuxuehujian，dadaojingcaixuanlan。

suizhegongyehuashehuidefazhan，jianzhuzhujiantuolileduiyutumuzhuanshideyilai，duizhongguojianzhulaishuo，bilishishangrenheshihoudouzhidexuexihejiejianxifangjianzhuwenhua。liru，zhongguojianzhuzaikongjianzuheshang，guanchangcaiyongpingmiandefangshijinxingpuzhan。zheizhongfangshiyuanyuzhongguogudainongyegengzuodeyingxiang。19shijiyilai，suizhechengshitudijiagederiyipansheng，gongyeshengchandegangtie、shuini、boliyijidiantidefaming，weijianzhudekongjianzuzhidailaigenbendebianhua。congchuantongdepingmianzuzhizhuanbiandaolitizuzhi，jianzhukaishixiangchuizhifangxiangfazhanle。womenjintiangaocengjianzhudejiegouxingshihekongjianzuhejibenshicongguowaixuexiguolaide。

raner，zhongguochuantongjianzhuwenhuadejingsui，womenyebunengdiu。liruzaikongjianzuzhi“zhongzunzhoubei”delinian，liangqianyulai，yanxibuyu。fengjianshehuidedouchenghuozhegongdian，yuekaojinzhongzhouxiandekongjianyuezhongyao，buzhijianzhudedengjiyuegao。siheyuanminjuyeshitongyangdedaoli，zuzongdepaiweikendingshianzhizaiyuanluokongjiandezhongyangweizhi。ruguowomenbazheizhongchuantongkongjiandezuzhilinianfangdaochuizhikongjianlidehua，yuxifangdekongjianzuzhifangshironghejinhua，kenengjiuhuizuochuyougengyouzhucigan、jiezougandekongjiantezheng。zhongxifangjianzhudekongjianzuzhilinianshikeyihuxiangjiejian、xiangdeyizhangde。

界面楼市：“新中式”的概念其实产生已久。随着近些年来，国潮、国风越来越受到人们的喜爱，也被越来越多的应用到现代建筑设计中，如檐角、园林、礼序、规制等，请问您觉得“新中式”元素在现代建筑中起着怎样的作用？“新中式”有标准吗？

刘临安：xinzhongshishixianzaideyizhongpubianjiaofa，danshitameiyouyigebiaozhunhuozhedingyihuademiaoshu。danshiwojuedezheishiyigehenzhidezanshangdegainian。jintianwomenbunengshengbanyingtaogudaidejianzhuxingshi，danshikeyiconggudaiwenhuadezhihuizhongdedaoqifa。《yijing》jiang“qiongzebian、bianzetong、tongzejiu”。shenmeyisi？jiushishiwufazhandaojintoushijiuyaobianhua，bianhuazhihoujiunengtongda，tongdazhihoujinerchijiu。

shouxian，congyitumuzhuanshiweicailiaodegudaijianzhufazhandaoyishuinigangtieweicailiaodexiandaijianzhu，moshouchenguijiushizoudaojintou，yinciyao“bian”。duiyuzhongguojianzhushilaijiang，nengbazhongguochuantongjianzhuwenhuachuangxindiyingyongdaoxiandaijianzhuzhong，zheishifeichangjuyouyiyide。bushaojianzhushidoufeichangreaizhongguojianzhuwenhua，douzaidanjingjielvdixunqiuzheizhong“biantong”zhidao，shitutongguochuangxinxingsikaohechuangzaoxingshoufabachuantongjianzhuwenhuabiaoxiandaoxinjianzhulilai。duiyu“xinzhongshi”dejianzhuchuangzuojinguan“lumanmanxiqixiuyuan”，danshizheizhongchuangxinruiyishifeichangzhidezanshangde。

dierdian，xuduojianzhushizaishejizhonghuikaolvbachuantongdejianzhuyaosu、jianzhukongjianhejianzhuxingshiqiaomiaodironghuidaoxiandaijianzhuzhong，danshizheibushiyicuerjiudeshiqing，ershixuyaoyigeguocheng。zaizheigeguochengzhong，huiyoubuduandechuangxinsikao，jinerdadaotuichenchuxindemubiao。liru，diyidaijianzhushiliangsicheng、yangtingbaotamenyechangshiguojiang zhongguo“guyoujianzhuxingshi”biaoxiandaoxiandaijianzhuzhongqu，tamendeyixiejianzhuzuopinzaibiaoxianshoufashangshineiyangdezhijieledang，zhishibachuantongjianzhuxingshiyizhidaoxinjianzhushang。suiranyouyudangshi“banfengjianbanzhimin”deshehuijuxian，danshibushiweizaichuanchengzhongguojianzhuwenhuashangkuachudediyibu，tixianchujianzhuchuangzuosixiangdedudaoxing，kanchengzhangxianzhongguojianzhuwenhuadexianxingjianzhushi。qihoudefazhan，tongguoyidaiyouyidaijianzhushidelijingtuzhi，chuangxinlinianhechuangxinxingshicengchubuqiong。hongyangzhongguojianzhuwenhuadezhenzhengyiyizaiyujilijianzhushizaichuangxindelushangbuduandizouxiaqu，zuizhongdaodayigechushenruhuadejingdi。

界面楼市：时代的发展比较迅速，人类的需求随着环境和技术的发展而变的多元化，因此，建筑功能也随之而产生各种变化。在后疫情时代，人们更能感受到居住环境的重要性，建筑空间与人之间的关系多少会产生某种重塑。在当下社会，建筑和人的关系产生了哪些变化？居住空间和建筑功能又有了哪些升级、更新（改变）？

刘临安：dangdaizhongguorenhennanzaiyonggudai“yimusanfendi”neiyangdefangshigaifangzile，muqianzhongguodabufenrenzhudedoushiwomenchengzhiweijiheshizhuzhaidefangzi。jiheshizhuzhaizaidangxiadeshiyingxingshengjikeyifensanbuzou，diyibushimanzujuminjibenshenghuodegongnengpeizhihekongjianpeizhi，manzujujiashenghuodejibenyaoqiu。dierbushijiaqiangjuminyugonggongshenghuozhijiandelianxi，rucanshi、caigou、jianshen、xiuxian、shehuifuwudeng，jiadagonggongkongjiandepeizhi。disanbuzeshijuminyuziranjiechudegongxiangkongjian，liruxinxiankongqihegonggonglvhua，zheifangmianwomenxianzaihaihenquefa。shixiangyixia，ruguowomenzaixiaoquzubuchuhuhuozhezubuchulou，jiukeyixiangshoudaogonggongshenghuoheziranjingzhi，neigaiyouduohao！qishiwomenzaisiwunianqianjiutantaoguozheigeketi——zhuzhaideduogongnengjichenghua，zaiyigeloudong（huozheyizuloudong）libajuzhu、gonggongshenghuo、ziranjingzhizuzhidaoyiqi。lirudixiacengtingche，diceng（2-3ceng）buzhicanyin、xiyi、jianshen、xiuxian、ertongyouxi、laorenjuhuidenggonggongshenghuodegongnengkongjian，dicengjiakongbingqieyudimianlvhuajieheqilai，shenzhiwudingheqiangshenyelvhuaqilai。zheizhongxindejianzhuleixingweilaihuoyouhenhaodefazhanqianjing。

界面楼市：这个栏目在尝试探索“当代中国人理想中的房子”的主题。站在时尚艺术的角度，您觉得怎样的房子才是当代中国人理想中的房子（或者您心中理想的房子）？

刘临安：tanbaidijiang，womenmeiyigerenduiyufangzidesuqiudoubuyiyang，neimemeiyigerenxinzhong“lixiangdefangzi”yebuyiyang。jiuxiangshashibiyajiangde“yiqiangerenyanzhongyouyiqiangehamuleite”。qianduanshijianshehuishangreyide“xingfuzhishu”，qishi，shenchushehuibutongcengmiandemeiyigerenxinzhongduiyu“xingfuzhishu”douyoubutongdepingpanbiaozhun。yingwenyouyigecijiao“interchange”，jiushi“xianghujiaohuan”deyisi。woyizhirenwei，zaifanyinglixiangjuzhufangshishangyingdangjubeizheiyangsangefangmiande“xianghujiaohuan”。shouxianshijuzhuzheyujiatingchengyuande“interchange”，jiarenzhijiandeqingganjiaoliu，qilerongrongdejiatingfenwei；qicishijuzhuzheyushehuigonggongshenghuode“interchange”，biaoxianzaiwomenrichangshenghuodefangfangmianmian，lirugongzuo、meishi、jianshen、shejiaodengshehuigonggongfuwu；zuihoushijuzhuzheyuziranzaohuade“interchange”，liruqingfengbaiyun、huahongliulv、chanchanliushui，shenzhichongjiuniaoming。wojuedezaijuzhufangshishangruguonengxiangshoudaozheisangefangmiande“interchange”，wuyikanchengyigemeihaode、lixiangzhongdefangzi。