jinnianlai，weipeiyuzhuangdaxiangcunjianshexinyetaixinmoshi，gedizouchuleyitiaowenhuafunengdexiangcunzhenxingzhilu。dangxia，woguodexiangcunlvyoujinrulegaosufazhanjieduan，chengweiletigaonongminshouru、shixianjingzhunfupindezhongyaozhuashou。zaijiansheyunyingzhong，baohuchuanchengxiangcunyouxiuchuantongwenhua，shenruwajuexiangcuntesewenhuayiyun，bingjiangbentuchuantongwenhuazhongxinsuzao，buduanfuyushidaineihan、fengfubiaoxianxingshi，yongyouxiuwenhuafunengxiangcunzhenxing，shijianshemeilixiangcundezhongyaoliliang。

2022nian8yue，shoujie【xinguochaodahui】jiangjuban，jiangjijiedingjizhuanjiaxuezhe、guochaopinpaizhuliren、zhuliumeitirengongtongtantaoguochaopinpaizengzhangli，zhulizhongguojingjishuangxunhuan。youjiemianloushi、jiemianchengshipindaoyu《chengshi huanjing sheji》(ued)zazhilianhecehuadejiemianchengshiguanchazhuanlan，dujiaduihuazhejianglianzhongxiuxianchanyejituanfuzongcai、zhejiangshengtiyulvyouchanyecujinhuifuhuizhangyuankexiansheng，gongtongtaoluntesexiaozhenwenhuaronghedangdaishenghuofangshiduixiangcunzhenxingzhanlvedezhulihetuijin。

以下为对话实录：

界面楼市：随着国家乡村振兴战略深入推进，持续发展，已经渐渐摸索出了一套独具特色和创新思想的发展道路。您作为这条道路上的中坚力量，最大的感受和体会是什么？

袁柯：zuoweizaixiangcunzhenxingcelvezhixiadecongyezhe，congshijianzhe、canyuzhedejiaodulaishuo，wozuidadeganshouyouliangdian，diyidianconghongguanshanglaishuo，guojiachutailehenduolihaozhengce，youhenhaodezhidaozuoyong，shehuiziyuantongguogezhongbutongfangshi，rushichangcengmian、jingjicengmian、jinrongcengmian、zhengfufaguicengmiandengjizhongzaixiangcunzhenxingdefazhanshang；congzhengfudaoxiangzhen，congshengshidaoxiancun，douyoufeichanggaodezhongshidu，suoyizhengcezhixingdeyouxiaoxinghezhidaoxing，dedaolejidadefahuiyuwanshan。

dierdiancongweiguanshanglaishuo，dangdaixiangcunmianmaotishengdefeichangkuai，congyingjiansheshi、jingguanshengtai、huanjingzhengzhi、renwenfengsudengfangmiandouyoulefeichangdadegaiguan，jidangdilaobaixingdailailegantongshenshoudebianhua。zaimeilixiangcundejiansheguochengzhong，tashizhijieshoudaoxiangcunzhenxingzhanlvetuidongheyingxiangde。biruwomenzaiguizhouqiannanfuquancanyudeyigexiangmu，tongguogefangmianziyuandezhichihejianshegaizao，cunzhuangdewaiguanxingtaihecunmindeshenghuofangshidoufashenglefantianfudidebianhua；ertadeshifanhedaidongxiaoyingduizhongxibudeqitaxiangzhenqidaolefeichangdadejijidecujinzuoyong。xiangcunzhenxingzhengceduixiangcunjianshedezhengtitishenghegaizao，suodailaidejudadebianhua，shifeichangzhiguande。

tongguo18nianlaizaixiangcundeshengenghefazhan，womenduiguojiaxiangcunzhenxingzhanlvedetihuishifeichangshenkede，zheiyidianhaitixianzaichanyefangmian，tongsudeshuojiushiruheranglaobaixingzengshou。biruzaianji，tadeteseshizhuzi，zuichudechanyeshidijiazhidilirunde，erxianzaitadechanyezhuanhuaweibaicha，anjibaichaquanguowenming，tayijingbujinjinshiyigedifangquyuxingdepinpaile，tongguochanyeluodi，xiangcunzhenxingzhengceshishi，jiangzhulinchayuanjieheqilaijinxingfujiazhidedazao，xingchengnongyepinpai。erwomenzejiehezheigetese，dazaominsuhekangyangxiangmu，luodizonghedujiaxiuxianxiaozhen，zuoweichanyeyetailuodideyouxiaozhuashou，jidangdijingjidailailehuoli，jidifangshuishoudailailezengzhang，jidangdilaobaixingchuangzaolejiuyejihui，zheiyeshijixiangcundailaigaibianhexunxujianjindefazhan，womenjiaokechixuxingshuxue，kechixuxinggaizaofa。

suoyiwomenganshoudaodexiangcunzhenxingtabujinjinshijukouhao，ershiguojiazhengcezaimeiyigejutidedian、jutidemian、zaixiangcundeguangkuotiandizhong，zhenzhengnengjilaobaixingdailaizengshouxiaoying，duilaobaixingdeshenghuomianmaoyoujidagaibiandeyigeyouxiaodefangshihetujing。tongshi，womenyeyizhizaisikao，congqiye、congchanye、congshangyeyetaidejiaodu，ruhebalvshuiqingshandeshengtaijiazhijinxingyoujizhuanhua，balvshuiqingshanbianchengjinshanyinshan，zheiyeshiwomenzhongdianzaiyanjiuyijizaifazhanguochengzhongzhiyindeyigelinian。

界面楼市：中国地广物博，地域文化呈现多样性特点，自然风光、历史文脉、民族习俗等组成了一幅时代地域文化的美丽画卷，也成为了当代小镇文化的起源和底蕴。请问在您过往的丰富经验中，如何准确抓住小镇特色，去打造与当代文化相适应、与现代社会相协调的生活方式？

袁柯：dangdaixiaozhenbiaoxianchudediyutezhenghewenhuashuxingshibijiaomingxiande。haishiyiwomenmuqianzhengzaizuodexiangmuweili，guizhouqiandongnandemajiangxian，you“zhongguolanmeizhixiang”dechenghao，tashimuqianguoneizhongzhilanmeiyijiyoujilanmeiguimozuidadejidi。zaimajiangxianwomenzuoleyigezonghetidexiangmu，zaiwenhuashuchushang，tajiyoumiaozudongzudeshaoshuminzudefengqing，youyouziranfengguangdegupoyunwei，gouchenglezhenggetianyuanzonghetidehexinhewenhuaip。zaicijichushang，womenbahexinipjinxingtisheng，weiraolanmeiteseheshaoshuminzuwenhua，zhidinglexiangyingdedujialvyouluxian，bingqiehezhoubiandezonghetihulianhudong，zuihouxingchenglewanshanqiejuyoutesedechengshiyuxiangcunzhijiandeniudai。dangjiaqilailin，tahuijiedailaizigegechengshidelvke，huijilvketigongjiaohaodekehutiyan。

suoyiwomenrenwei，zaidangdaixiaozhendedazaozhong，xuyaofeichangduodeyuansuzuhe，ranhoujinxingxiediaohezhenghe，xingchengzijidexiaozhentese，bingqieyudangdaishenghuofangshijinxingronghe，yunyongchuangxindelinianquyunyingheguanli，wuluncongshichang、youke、jingqu、xiangcunhuozhengfudengfangmian，zuchengyigewanzhengdechanyelian，dailaihenhaodeliuliang，xingchengduoyingdejumian。xiaozhendutedewenhuatesexiyinzhechengshijuminlaidaozheilidujia，qutiyanheganshoubuyiyangdeshenghuo；tongshi，yebaxiaozhendewenhuahefengsugenghaodebaocunhechuanchengxiaqu。

界面楼市：您主持过很多乡村振兴的示范项目，各有风格，“赋石山居”乡居文化，“蓝莓庄园”少数民族风情，“龙门印象”中国传统文化传承、“下南山”原生态古村落展现等，这个问题是关于建筑的，如何将这些不同风格和现代建筑进行融合？这些风格元素在项目的打造中又起到了怎样的重要作用？

袁柯：zheigewentibamuqianfeichangliuxingdechuantongjianzhufengge、xiandaijianzhufenggehaiyoushenghuodeshishangganhetiyangandoujinxingleronghe。zaiwomendesuoyoujiansheguochengzhong，zheishifeichangzhongyaodeyigehuanjie。qishi，congzuizaodedingcengshejikaishi，tadejianzhuhedangdidewenhuafengturenqingjiuyaojinxingyigeyoujideronghe，bingtixianchudifangtese。

womenzaizhejiangshenglishuishiliandouqudexiananshancunxiangmu，jiushiyigefeichangyoudaibiaoxingdeanli。xianancunshiyuanshengtaigucunluo，you400niandelishi，danshisuizhejingjidefazhan，renyuanwailiu，tachengweileyigekongxincun。danshinandeshizheigekongxincunhaibaoliuzheyuanshidejianzhufengge，womenhedifangzhengfulianhetongyiguihua，bazhuyaodeyuansutiquhebaoliuhou，ronghexiandaigongyi，genjuyuanshifengmaoyuanzhiyuanweidefuyuanjianshe。jibaoliulelishidecangsanggan，youjiangxiandaijianzhudelinianjieheqilai，xingchenglejuyouchuantongfengturenqinghexiandaijuzhugongnengdejianzhuzhuti。zaizheigexiangmuyunyinghou，youjin100donglaofangwudouzhongxinhuodelexinsheng，zuchenglexiananshanyuanshibuluodujiazongheti。

tadechengxianjiwomendeqifafeichangda。jiangjuyoubentutesejianzhuyishufenggehexiandaidujiaxuqiu、shenmeilinianjinxingronghe，huiqidaoshibangongbeidetuidongzuoyong。tongguobutongfenggederonghe，jiyoukedailaidexinxiangan、fanchagan，xiangmuxiyinlijiuzengqianglebushao。suoyi，wojuedechuantongwenhuahejianzhufuhao，zailuodideshihouyidingyaokaolvdaoshiyingxinghechuangxinxing，haiyaofenxihepanduanzenyangnengzhanxianzuihaodeshenmeixiaoguo，bashenmeidaijizhenzhengxuyaoderenqun，rangtamentihuidaogengweizhiguandexiangshou。

界面楼市：近些年来，国潮国风兴起，“龙门印象”项目坐落在龙门古镇（江南地区明清风格古建筑群众保存最为完整且罕见的山乡古镇），保存和采用了大量的中式历史元素，请问在您的理解中，这算是“国潮”的一种表现吗？您觉得当下年轻人对国潮国风文化的喜爱，对乡村振兴有推进作用吗?

袁柯：longmenguzhenshiyigeyouzheyoujiuwenhualishideguzhen，worenweitashuyuguochaoguofengdewenhuafanchou。qishi，lishigujianshiguochaoguofengzuidadewenhuadiyunhejichulaiyuan。yiqian，womenduinianqingrendelijieyouyixiepiancha，yiweitamengengjiaxihuandachengshiderenaohuozheguowaiduoyuanwenhuadepengzhuang，danshizaizuoxiangmudejiansheheguochengzhong，womenfaxianqishinianqingrenshifeichangxihuanguochaoguofengwenhuade。

longmenguzhenyoudiliweizhiteshu，tajinlinzhongguomeishuxueyuan，suoyizaiguzhenlikeyikandaoxuduoxueshengzailinmochuantongwenhuadechengxianhezhongshiyuansudefengge，zheikeyidaibiaoyibufennianqingrendetaidu。qishibutongdenianling，butongderenzhi，duiguochaoguofengdouyoubutongchengdudelijie，danzuizhongqiutongcunyi，doushiduiwenhuazixinderenke，shiduiminzuzihaogandekending，shichuantongwenhuadehuigui。zaizheigeguochengzhong，zaiguochaoguofengdeshenmeizhong，womenyongdujiadejiaoduqukan，yonglongmenguzhendejingyingdejiaoduqukan，jiunengmingxiandekandaonianqingrenduichuantongwenhuadexiai，duilishiwenhuayuansudexihuan，duixiangcunfengturenqingdexiai。

zheizhongxiailuodaoxiangcunzhenxingxiangmushang，youzhezuizhijiehexiangduijianjiedexiaoguo。zhijieyingxiangshiyongshijixingdonghexiaofeilaijinxingtesedujialvyou，jizhenggechanyeyetaidejingjidailailezuizhiguandeshouru，zaixiaofeiderenzhirenkeshangyouzhetishenghecujinzuoyong。erjianjiexiaoguoshibachengshideshenghuofangshihexiaofeirenzhi，chuanbojiledangdidejumin，daidongdangdijuminzhongxinrenshibenditesewenhuadiyun，yijitongguoguochaoguofengdeshishanggainian，zhongxinrenshibentuwenhuadechuanchenghejiazhi。suoyiworenweinianqingrenduiguochaoguofengdexiai，duixiangcunzhenxingdetuijin，shiyigezhongyaoerbukequeshaodehuanjie。tongshiwomenyeyaojiaqianggengshencengcixuqiudefajueheyindao，bachengshilidexinsixianghexingainiantongbufuzhidaoxiangcunqu。guochaoguofengzaixiangcunzhenxingzhongshiyouyixizhidide，erqieyuelaiyuehuixianxianchutadedutexing。

界面楼市：这个栏目尝试探索一个主题：“当代中国人理想中的房子”。站在时尚艺术的角度，您觉得怎样的房子才是当代中国人理想中的房子（或者您心中理想的房子）？

袁柯：zheishiyigekaifangxingdewenti。wojiuwozijihezijishenbiandepengyoushuoyixieganshou。zhiqianzaihaiwaikaochaguohenduodexiangmu，ganshoudaomeigedifangderenminduiyuzijilixiangzhongdefangzihuozheshuojuzhuhuanjingdeyuqidoubuyiyang。zaichengshili，renmendejingzhengyalihejiaolvganbijiaoqiang，henduorenhuixihuanbazijijituozaiyigedahuanjingzhong，xiwangqingshanlvshui，haodekongqi、shui、turang；youledahuanjingzhihou，neimejiexialai，jiushixiaohuanjingle，yejiushifangzi。butongdiyu，butongshenghuo，renmenduifangzidexuqiuyebuyiyang。jiuwozijilaishuo，qufanjiujianshiyizhonglixiang。worenweizheidaibiaoleyidabufenquxiangcunmaifang、jianfanghuozhezhangqijuzhuzhedeshenmeiheguannian。fangzidejuzhugongnenggouyongjiuxing，tamengengduoshiyaotiyanyizhongshengji，yizhongyanhuoqi，huiguiziran。suiranzheigeshixianshiyaoyouyigebuzhoude，danshixianzaiyuelaiyueduoderenzaihuiguixiangcun，huiguitianyuandeshenghuofangshi。genjuyigerendeshenghuofangshiheshenghuolixiang，tuidaochushihetadefangwu、tingyuan、huayuanheshenghuohuanjing，woxiangjiushizheiyang。