记者 | 陈琼烨

zailaidaohuilingduntianjinxiaoqugongzuoqian，julian jeffreyyijingzaiyingguohuilingdungongxuegongzuole18nian，xianhoudanrenguolishibuzhurenhezhulishejian。

惠灵顿公学于1859年宣告成立，是维多利亚女王为纪念大不列颠军事家、并曾两度任英国首相的惠灵顿公爵而命名，是英国最大的世界顶级贵族名校之一。2011年8月，惠灵顿公学在天津开设其首个中国分校。

jeffreyhezhongguojieyuanyu2012nian。dangshi，tazuoweiyingguohuilingdungongxueniandupingshentuandeyiyuanlaidaotianjinkaocha，houyouzuoweijiaohuanjiaoshilaitianjinjiaohuanyixueqi。shirentianjinhuilingdunxuexiaodexiaozhangxiwangtaliuren，jeffreyxinrandaying。

duijeffreyeryan，zhongguobingbushiyigemoshengdeguodu。tadefuqinzaishangshijibashiniandaijiucenglaizhongguogongzuo，biaoxiongyu1997nianlaishanghaigongzuo，jeffreybenrenyecengduocilaidaozhongguo。

caifangzhong，jeffreyduociqiangdiaozijilishixixueshengdeshenfen。congchuzhongqi，zheiweiyingguonanhaikaishichimilishi，jishidangniandelishikelaoshiwuliaotouding，yebufangaitaduizheimenxuekedereai。daxuebiyeshi，xuanzejiaoyuxingyeyegengduoshiweilenenggou“tanlunlishi”。

conglishilaoshi，daozhulishejian，zaidaoguojixuexiaoxiaozhang，jeffreyshuo，xiaozhangshizuigududelaoshi。zaixinguandaliuxingxia，zuoweiyisuoxuexiaodezhangduozhe，yanqianbingfeiyipiantantu。xingyundeshi，huilingdunxuexiaogedixiaozhangjiandexianghujiaoliu、gulirangjeffreychengguoleneiduanzuinandeshiqi。

tabuyanshiduihaoxueshengdexiai，danneixiechengjishaoxianxunse、huopohuoshiyouzhegulingjingguaixiangfadexueshengyerangtananwang。tarenweiyimingjiaoyuzhedezhizebujinjinshibangzhuneixiecongminghaizijinrudingjiandaxue，gengshiyaoguanzhumeiyiweixuesheng，shitamendounengchengweigenghaodeziji。

tianjinzhiwai，huilingdun（zhongguo）jituanhaizaihangzhouheshanghaisheyouxuexiao。2016nian，huilingdun（zhongguo）kaiqi“shuangwenhuajiaoyu”，xianhouzaishanghai、hangzhoujianlilemianxiangzhongguojixueshengdehuiliyoueryuanhehuilixuexiao。zuixinyisuonantonghuilixuexiaoyiyujinnianqiujizhengshikaixiao。

jinnian8yue，jeffreybeirenmingweijituanshouxizongxiaozhang，xindezhiwurangtayoulegengduoshizhankongjian。taxiaocheng，weiyidequediankenengshibunengmeitiandoudaizaixuexiao，xiangyiqianneiyangjingchanghehaizimenzaiyiqi。danzaijiaoyuzhezheigegangweishang，tashuo，conglaimeiyouyitiangandaoguoyanjuan。

yixiashicaifangshilu，kanfayousuoshanjie。

界面教育：自你2014年加入天津惠灵顿以来，八年时间里，中国内地的国际教育发生了哪些变化？

Jeffrey：bianhuazhendehenmingxian。zuichu，jiazhanghexueshengyouxiangquguowaidushudexiangfa，dantujingxiangdangyouxian，duiguojijiaoyudelijieyehenyouxian。xianzaizuidadebianhuazhiyishi，tamenduiguojijiaoyuyoulegengchengshudelejie，baizaitamenmianqiandexuanzeyegengduole。ciwai，fumuyuelaiyueguanzhuhaizishifoushiyingxuexiao，xuexiaonengfoumanzuhaizidexuqiu。

界面教育：你接触到的家长中，存在名校情结吗？

Jeffrey：ruguojiazhangbenshenzaishenghuohegongzuozhongyouxiongxinbaofu，xiwangzijidehaizinengzaixueyeshangyouchusechengjiu，zheishizaizhengchangbuguodexiangfa。zaitianjinhuilingdunshiqi，meicijubanjiazhangjiangzuohekaifangrishi，wozongshiduijiazhangshuo，tamenhehaizidemengxiangjiushixuexiaodemengxiang。ruguomengxiangshijinruchangchuntenglianmeng、niujinjianqiaozheileishijieshangdingjiandaxue，xuexiaohuijinyiqiekenengbangzhutamenshixianzheigemengxiang。

danjiazhangyexuyaoyishidao，bushimeigerendouyinggaiqudingjianxuefu。neixiekenengshenqingchangchuntengdexuesheng，zuizhongqulebucuodeyishuleiyuanxiao，yinweitamenduiyishuyoureqing，zheishitamenzijidejueding，yeshizuishihetamendelvcheng。

界面教育：有报告显示，过去五年间，全球范围内K12国际学校集团入学率增长七成，据您观察，集团化办学存在哪些优势？

Jeffrey：jituanhuabanxuejuyouxiyinlideyuanyinyouhenduo。congjiazhangjiaodulaikan，jituanhuaxuexiaopinpaitongchangyougenggaozhimingdu，yinweitamencunzaiyubutongchengshiheguojia。zhimingduduijiazhanglaishuowangwanghenzhongyao。

xinguandaliuxingqijian，zuoweixiaozhangguanliyisuodulixuexiao，bizaiyigejituanneiguanliyisuoxuexiaoyaokunnandeduo。youqishixinguanbaofachuqi，xiaozhangdechujingshifeichangguduhekunnande。meiyourenzhidaozhengceshishenmeyang，birujiaoshishifoukeyilvxing，shifoukeyirangxinzhaopindejiaoshirujingdeng。

danzaijituanhuaxuexiaoli，wokeyidadianhuahuofayoujianxiangqitaxiaozhangxunwenyijian，woyuyingguohemangudexuexiaodoubaochizhelianxi，mianduixinguan，tamenyouzhehewomenbutongdeyingduijingyan。wocongqitaxuexiaodetongshineiyededaolehenduobangzhuhezhichi。zheizhongtiyanshifeichangzhenguide。 

wowufaxiangxiang，zaizheiyangdekunnanshiqi，ruguozuoweiyisuodulidexuexiao，zaizhaopinxinyuangong、zhaoshouxuesheng、weichixuexiaozhengchangyunyingdengfangmianxuyaozuoduoshaozhengzha。

界面教育：当下国际关系及疫情带来的一系列影响，惠灵顿学校在师资招聘方面是否也遇到了问题？

Jeffrey：womendewaijijiaoshihebendijiaoshibilifeichangpingheng。queshi，guoqujinian，congzhongguoyiwaidedifangzhaopinrenyuanbingburongyi。danworenwei，zhiyaojituanhexuexiaodeshengyuzugouqiangda，youxiudejiaoshijiuhuiyuanyilai。

界面教育：惠灵顿学校外教流失率低于行业平均水平，你们是如何降低师资流动率的？

Jeffrey：jiaoshizaizheilihuodedegongzihefulishifeichanghaode，tongshi，tamenzaixuexiaogoujianleyizhongxianghuxinrenhezunzhongdewenhua。worenweijiaozhigongzaiyigebangongwenhuayuzishenjiazhiguanxiangqihededifanggongzuo，jiuhuidaidegengjiu。fanzhi，likaijiubiandeyuelaiyuerongyi。

界面教育：在此前采访中，你指出增加师资稳定性要从招聘环节开始，如何识别和学校价值观一致的老师？

Jeffrey：huilingdunxuexiaoyouwugehexinjiazhiguan，fenbieshiyongqi、zunzhong、zhengzhi、shanlianghezeren。womenhuizaizhaopinhuanjieqiangdiaozheixiejiazhiguan。ruguotiaojianyunxudehua，yujiaoshimianduimianjiaoliuyefeichangzhongyao。zaimianshizhong，youyibufenjiyujiazhiguandewenti，biruwomenhuijiasheyigechangjing，kantamenruheyingdui。

jinianqian，womianshiguoyiweizaizhongguogongzuolehenjiudejiaoshi，cengzaiyisuofeichangyouxiudexuexiaorenjiao。wowenta，qinggaosuwoyixienibanjidekaoshiqingkuang，yijiniruhegulixueshengqudehaochengji。

tashuotaquniandaiguoyigeban，gongyou14gexuesheng，qizhong10gerenquleniujin、jianqiaohechangchuntengmengxiao。wowen，neilingwaisigerenni？tamendepingjunchengjiruhe？tahuidashuo，qizhonglianggedechengjiyoudianlingrenshiwang，danzheishitamenyingdede。

wodangshijiujuede，zuoweiyiweilaoshi，zheiyangshuohenbuheshi。tajuedezijimeiyouzerenbahaizidechengjiladaoyigegenggaodedengji，huoshiducu、gulitamendedaoyigegenghaodechengji。takenengshiyigechusedelaoshi。duiyixiexueshenglaishuo，yekenengshiyigeguwurenxindelaoshi，dantabufuhewomendejiazhiguan。

界面教育：当前大环境下，部分K12国际学校会增加双语教师的比例，你怎么看待双语教师的价值？

Jeffrey：shuangyujiaoshizaiguojixuexiaozhongfahuizhefeichangzhongyaodezuoyong。tamendailailewenhuaduoyangxing，tongshinenggoulijiedangdixuesheng，zheishifeichangbaoguide。 kandaoshuangyujiaoshiyongfeimuyujiaoshouyimengaoduxueshuxingdekemu，jiuxiangtamenzijidemuyuyiyangliuli，zheiduixueshenglaishuoshihenguwude。woxiangrenheyouzugouxinxinbingxihuanzaiguojixuexiaohuanjingzhonggongzuodeshuangyujiaoshizhijing，yinweizheishiyixiangjiankudegongzuo。

界面教育：作为教育者，你希望学生身上具备哪几个品质？请用三个词概括。

Jeffrey：youhaoqixin、tonglixin，duishenghuohuaiyoumengxiang。

界面教育：你是高高在上的“威严”形象吗？在与学生交流的过程中，是否也会带给自己一些新的发现和思考？

Jeffrey：wocengjingyou“baozaolaoshi”demingsheng，danneizhishiyinweiwoguyizhuangchulaideyangzi，shijishangwobingbushi。

yuxueshengxiangchushiyijianyouqifaxingheguwuxingdeshi。wojidewobiyehourenjiaolundunyisuonvxiao，nvhaimenxuexihenqinfen。duitamenlaishuo，laileyigenianqingdenanxingjiaoshishiyijianhenxinxiandeshi，yinweizheisuoxuexiaojihumeiyounanjiaoshi。gangkaishiwohendanxin，patamenrenweiwobuxiangyixienvjiaoshineiyangyange，yedanxintamenduiwodekechengtiaomaobing。

danwofaxianwodedanxinwanquanshiduoyude，zheixiexueshengfeichangyouqu、congming，zaihetamendejiaotanzhong，woxuedaolehenduoguanyuliuxingyinledezhishi，zaiwozijideshenghuozhongkenengshiyongyuanyexuebudaode。zhidaojintian，worengranrenweidangniantamenjiaojiwodezheixiedongxihenyouqu。tashiwobaochinianqing。

界面教育：你曾提到，国际学校不能是一座“孤岛”，融入当地社群很重要。你是如何实践这一想法的？

Jeffrey：ruguoxuexiaochengweiyigepaitaxingdedifang，neimehaizijiuhuishiquhenduozhenshishijiedeshenghuojingyan。wozaitianjinhuilingdunshi，duiwolaishuofeichangzhongyaoqiexinweideshi，tianjinrenjuedezheisuoxuexiaoshishuyuzheizuochengshide，jiuxiangxuexiaojuedetayeshuyutianjinyiyang。

womenxiwangdangdijiatingnengyuwomenyouhudong，biruxiaoyuankaifangri，dangdijuminkeyijinlaicanguanxuexiao，guankanwomendeyanchuheyinlehui。wogulilaoshihexueshengquwaimianduokankan，hebutongderenjiaotan，changshiqulejietamen，zheiyangjiunengxuehuiruhezunzhongbierendexiangfaheganshou。

界面教育：此前你是惠灵顿天津校区的总校长，今年被任命为首席总校长，此番身份的转变带来了哪些新的感受？

Jeffrey：yexuxingongzuodeweiyiquedianshiwobunengmeitiandoudaizaixuexiao，yinweiwoxianzaizaijituanbangongshigongzuo，bunengxiangyiqianneiyangjingchanghehaizimenzaiyiqi。

xianzai，wosuodedaodeshiyuxiaozhangmen、gaocengguanlituanduiyiqigongzuodejihui。duiyuyigecengjingshilishijiaoshiderenlaishuo，zuozaizheigebangongshili，zuochuyixiejuecebingbangzhuxuexiao，shiyigefeichanglingrenxingfenhejuyoutiaozhanxingdegongzuo。

界面教育：在教育界几十年，产生过厌倦吗？

Jeffrey：zaiwodegongzuoshengyazhong，meiyouyitianshiwuliaode。hexuesheng、jiazhang、xuexiaolingdaoyijinianqingdetongshimenyiqigongzuo，hezheimeduoyongyoubutongshenghuojinglihebeijingderenxiangchu，woyongyuanbuhuigandaowuliao。

wozaiyingguohuilingdunxuexiaojiaole18nianshu，ruguoniwenwo，meinianjiaotongyangdedongxibujuedewuliaoma？wocongbujuede。nikenenghuijiaotongyigehuati，dannijiaodeshibutongderen，tamenduizheigehuatidefanyingwanquanbutong，duizheigehuatiyoubutongdexiangfa，niyongyuanbuhuikandaotongyangdeshiqingliangci。

界面教育：在你的学生时代，是否有对你影响深刻的老师？

Jeffrey：chuzhongshi，youyigejiaosinuodelishilaoshi，shuoshihuawobuzhidaotashifoushiyiweiyouxiudelaoshi，danhenyouqu，tajiangdechengbaozhishirangwoyinxianghenshen。youyuwoyizhiduilishizheimenkemuzuiganxingqu，suoyiduiwolaishuo，zheimenkejiaoxuedehaohuaibingbuzhongyao。

zaiwojinrujiaoyulingyuqian，wojihumeizuoguochulexuelishiyiwaideshi。

wofuqinfeichangxiwangwochengweiyimingjiaoshi。tabenrencongshixiaoshou，zaiyijianongyehuaxuegongsigongzuo，bashiniandailaiguozhongguogongzuo。wojideshangdaxueshi，shenbianhenduopengyoudouquzuolelvshihehuiji，wohaimeizhunbeihaojinruzhichang，xiangdezhishizaidaxuelixuelishi、tanlunlishi。yourenjianyiwoqujiaoshu，yushiwoshenqingleshifanxueyuan，chengleyiminglishilaoshi。