yuanzhuoluntanyoumktforgoodshiyanshichuangshirenchengyanqingnvshizhuchi，sidaolaensuojituanbaozhuangcailiaozhongguoqucaiwufuzongcaigejianhongxiansheng、lingjiaogongfanglianhechuangshirenjianceozhuxiaobinxiansheng、shanghaizhenaimengxianggongyijijinhuifumishuzhangweilingnvshi、beijingdidigongyijijinhuimishuzhang、didichuxingcsrfuzerenluozhenzhennvshi、bddazhonghuaqugonggongguanxijichuanbofuzongjianlishanvshi，zhadazhongguokechixufazhanfuzongjianwangyunfengnvshicanyuduihua。benchangyuanzhuozhanxianlebutongxingyelingyudeguandian，dajiacongqiye、gongyijigou、shehuidengbutongshijiaolaipouxishangyexiangshanzheiyihuati。

以下是各位圆桌嘉宾的发言实录：

程艳青：henrongxingnenggouyuneimeduojiabindisancizhanzaizheigewutaishang，zaicitantaoshangyexiangshanzheigehuati。woxiangxinjintianzhenrongyeshifeichangqiangda，womenjiyoulaizijinronglingyu，jiankanglingyu，cailiaolingyudejiabin，haiyoulaiziyuwomensuyangjiaoyanglingyudechuangxinzhehejiejuefangandetigongzhe。youqihaiyouwomenzhuxiaobinjiaoshou。zhuxiaobinjiaoshoubujinjinshidazaoletuidongqiyejiameihaofazhandepingtai，tongshiyezhuanzhushehuiyuqiyechuangxinjiehedelingyu。woxiangxinjintianzhenggeyuanzhuoduihuahuifeichangjingcai。

woyijingzhuchiguosanciyuanzhuo，youqizaijiemiandepingtaishang，womenguoqudoutantaodeshishixiaredian，baokuofupin，baokuoxiangcunzhenxing，baokuohuanbaoshishangdengdengdeyouchaoliudehuati，jinniandajiajiedaoderenwuyebijiaoduo，luoshizhongyudaodetiaozhanyehenduo，jiyaomangfupingongjianwanchengdashi，youyaomangkangjiyiqing，feichangdemangliu。

womenjintianqishizhanzaizheiyangdeshijiaoshang，jiyaozongjieguoqu2020nianzhiqiandeshijianshangdeshiqinghechengxiao，youyaomianxiangwomenkaiqixindezhouqixindeyinian，baokuogangcaiwomenzhengjiaoshoutichudeshisiwuguihua，jidaowomengengduodeshehuizerenganderenwu，quedingwomenzheigemubiao。

womendemubiaoyijinghenmingxianle，chuangxin、puhui、yingxiangli。qishicongmktforgooddechuanbojiaodutongchangdingyiweigaodu、guangdu、shendu，zheixiemubiaoyiweizhebuzaishiwomenqiyedanyizuodeshiqing，shangyexiangshanbuzaizhishiqiyezuodeshiqing，ershihuijilegengduolingyudezhuanjia、shijianzhequgongtongcujindeshiqing。jiezhuxiangyingdeliliangranggengduodeshehuijiejuefanganchujidaogengguangfandequnti，tongshi，yonggengduodeshehuijiazhi，shenrudaoqiyeneibuchanshenggengkechixudeshouyi。

xiankaiqiwomendiyiluntantaopuhuidehuati，gangcaijiangdao“shisiwu”，bujinjinshiqianfadadiqudefazhanruhepingheng，gengzhongyaodeshiquantirenmingenggaoshuipingdefuyuzenmelaishixian。womenyouqinggezongcongshengtaiwenmingdejiaodutanyixiasidaolaensuojituanshizenyangcongzheifangmiantuidongde。

戈剑宏：sidaolaensuoshiyijiabeiouqiye，youfenlanheruidianlinzhijutouhebingerlai，qilishikeyizhuisudaogongyuan1200nianqianhou，yejiushichengjisihanneigeniandai。womenshiyijiayuzhongbutongdekezaishengcailiaogongsi，“shuzaoshijie”shiwomendeyuanjing。dajiadouzhidao，shushiyizhongkezaisheng、kexunhuandewuzhong，erzaizhizhipinzhong，qizhuyaodeyuancailiaoshizhijiang，yuanyushumu。womentongguozaolin、zhijiang，ranhouzaishengchanzhibanzheiyibaozhuangcailiao，jishehuidailaikexunhuande、duihuanjingmeiyouwurandechanpin，shumubenshennengxishoueryanghuatan，keduijianhuanqihoubiannuanzuochugongxian。sidaolaensuoyu1985nianjinruzhongguoshichang，zhongguoquxianyouyuangongyue4500ming，shengchanjidiweiyuguangxibeihai、guangdongdongguan、zhejiangjiashan、jiangsuchangzhou、hebeiqianan，bingzaibeijing、shanghai、xianggang、guangzhoudengdisheyouxiaoshoubangongshijichuangxinzhongxin。

wogangjiandanjieshaolesidaolaensuodelinianhechanpin，jiupuhuizheigegainianeryan，womendechanpin，huozheshuowomentigongdefuwubenshenjiubaohanlepuhuidejiyin——yinweiwomendechanpinhefuwushijiyukezaishengcailiaoqielvsehuanbao。chucizhiwai，tongguoyixialiangfangmian，yenengtixianwomenpuhuidezongzhi。

qiyishishangyexingweifangmian。womenzaiguangxijingyingzheyue8wangongqinganshurengonglin，womenyudangdideyinglinjishubumentantaozenmeyouhualindizhiliang、tishengduilinyegongxian。sidaolaensuobeihaigongchangshidangnianbeiouzaihuazuidadantitouzi，zaizhenggegongchangdeyunyingguochengdangzhong，jianjuezhixingbeioudebiaozhun，zaihuanbaojinengyuandexiaohaofangmian，womendoushiyibeioudebiaozhunlaiyaoqiuziji，youciwomenhaidedaolegongxinbushouyude“guojiajilvsegongchang”chenghao。chanpinfangmian，womenbuduanchuangxin，tongguotuichushipinjizhijiangmosuchanpinlaixiangyingguojiaxiansulinghaozhao，womendezhisuchanpinhairuxuanlemeituanwaimai“qingshanjihua”zhizhipinbaozhuangtuijianminglu，qieweiliefuhuaxiangmudediyiming。

qiershishehuizerenfangmian。womendebujubijiaoduoyanghua，zaiyewusuozaichengshi，womendoutongdangdijigou，baokuozhengfuyousuohezuo，rucanyudangdishequjianshe，tigongzhiyuanfuwujiyingjiansheshi，womenzaibeihaihaifaqijingtanhuodong，zuzhiyuangongmeinianliangcicanjiajingtanhuodong，yiciduidangdihuanbaozuochugongxian。zaiqiananhechangzhou，womentongdangdizhengfuhezuo，weiyixieruoshiqunti，baokuocanzhangrenshitigongheshidejiuyegangwei。

zonghelaijiang，womenzaichanpinbenshen、shangyeyunzuo、shehuizerenfangmianqitoubingjin，zhenzhengchengdanqipuhuidezeren。

主持人（程艳青）：sidaolaennengbangwomenlaqifangxian，yigongchangweizhongxin，fushegengduoqianfadadiqu，cujinfuzhitisheng。dierweijiabinlishanvshicongjiankangdelingyushizenmeshixianpuhuide？

李莎：womenbdshiyijiaquanqiuhuadeyiliaojishugongsi，dajiakendingdouquyiyuanjianchakanguobing，wojujigechangjiandeyiliaochanpinlizi：dazhendezhusheqishibdfamingde，zuoxuechangguijiancedecaixueguanyeshibdfamingde，haiyouyishengchangyongdetingzhenqidoushibdfamingde。bd 1897nianzaimeiguochenglizhijin，yiyou123niandelishi，jinruzhongguoyou26niandelishi，zaihuayou16gebanshichu。bdzhuanyecongshiyiliaojiankanglingyu，congpuhuidecsrjiaodulaishuo，gentongdaoxiangbiyougengduodezhuanyeyoushi，bangzhurenleihequanqiujiankangshenghuo。gongsidesolganshi“yinlingshijiejiankang”，congpuhuijiaodulaishuowomenzaigongyilingyuzuolehenduoxiangmu。

zaiyiliaoxiangmuhezhongduojibinggongyilingyu，womendouzuochulexuduogongxian。yiaizibingjulilaishuo，womenyijingzaizhongguozuoleshijiniandeaizibinggongyixiangmu，chuleguanaiaizibinghuanzhe，tigongjijijuanzhu，duonianlaiyizhiguanaiaizizhiguertongwai，womenhaicengbagongyixiangmutuidaoyixiandeaizibinglinchuangyishengshang，aizibingshishehuixingjibing，womenzhenduilinchuangyixiandiqu，youqishiaizibingzhongzaiqudexiangcun，fenzhanzaiqianxiandeyishengfeichangzhongyao，suoyiwomencengyujikongdanweihezuo，faqiguoyouhaoyishengdepingxuan。gongyidexiangmulibukaiyugejiliyixiangguanzhedehezuo，womentongguohezhengfu、yiliaojigou，linchuangkehu、huanzhegefangxieshou，bingconggongsineibuzishangerxiadachenggongshi，duoweiduzhengtixiangqiantuijingongyixiangmu。

womenzai2015nianxiangyunnanaizibinggaofadiqujuanzenglefacs calibriliushixibaoyi，gaiyiqikeyongyuaizibingxibaofenxifenxuan，kejianceaizibingbingpeihecd4jiweijiuliaofayongyuaizibingzhenliao。dangshideyitaijiqijiuxiangjialimiankaoxiangdaxiao，shifangzaijikongzhongxinshiyanshilimianzuozhenduande。suizhejishudebuduanfazhan，yeshilinchuangshiyongfankuigaosuwomen，yaozhenzhengzuodaokejixing、puhuixing，zheihaibugou。womenbayijianfankuidaoyanfabumen，jinianzhihou，womenyanfabingzaihuashangshileyikuanbianxieshideaizibingjiancechanpinfacs presto，taxiangdangyuyigeshoujihezidedaxiao。2019nian，bdzaixinjiangdiquzuolegongyijuanzeng，bingzaizhongguozuoleshoufa。zheigechanpinkeyibangzhulinchuangyishengjiangjianchayiqidaizaishenbian，daoyixianjiqianzaideaizibinghuanzhejiance，takeyizai5fenzhongneikuaisuchujujiancebaogao，erqiejingdufeichanggao。jishufazhandaidongqiyekejiyanfa，yanfadongliyelibukaiqiyeshehuizerendechuxin。tongguozheigegushi，gendajiafenxiangpuhuixingbeihouxiangshandeliliang，shituidongqiyebuduanquyanfachuangxin，buduanjinbudedongli。xiexie！

主持人（程艳青）：womenkeyitingdaopuhuiqishishishenzhazaiquntihebingzhongzhuanyexingshangde，womenchuangzaoshiyongxingdegongjuheyiliaotixifuwuyuyouxuyaoderen。jiexialaiqingluozhenzhennvshilaishuoshuozaijiaotongxingyelimianyoushenmejucuo？

罗真真：hengaoxingzaizheiligendajiajianmian，feichanggaoxingwomendajialaidaomeihaodechanghe，gongtongtantaomeihaodehuati。zaizuokendingyouhenduorenshishiyongdidichuxingde，didishizuoshehuixingzhidefuwu，fuwudaomeiyigeren，benshenjiushiyizhongpuhui。womenduipuhuihaiyouyizhonglijie，jiushitexuderenqun，suoyizaiyewucengmian，womenshiyidazhongzuoweifuwumubiao。duiyuwomencsrlaijiang，gengduojujiaozaiyixietexurenqundexuqiushangmian，ganggangqianmiandezhuanjialaoshitidaolexinxiwuzhangai——zenmezhichimangrenlaishiyonggezhongshoujideruanjiantigongshenghuofuwu。qishidididecsrdetuanduichenglidiyigexiangmu，jiushixinxiwuzhangaidexiangmu。didichuxingapp，tongguodupingdegongneng，zhichishizhangzhexiadandadaoche，dadaochezhishidiyibu，houlaiwomenfaxian，shizhangrenqunyijingshiteshurenqunle，danhaiyaoxihua，youdeshizhangzheshiyongdaomangquanhemangzhang，shiyongdaomangquanderenshangchekenengchuxianwenti，bushimeigesijiduidaomangquanyousuolejie，takenengbulejie，zenmeshiyitiaodagoushangche。shenzhiyoudesijikenengshenglixingdejiupagou，yudaozheizhongqingkuang，duiyuxiedaidaomangquanchuxingyonghuyoushikadian。womenzaishizhanglimianxifen，yongdaomangquankehuzenmeshangche，juedingyongchanpinjiejuezheigewenti。

jinnianchangshizuolewuzhangaichuxingchanpindiyiqi，zhuanmenfuwudaomangquandeyonghu，zheigechanpinjibendeluojishi，womenjiyuyoudaomangquankehudechengshi，zaiquanliangsijilimianjinxingwuzhangaisijirenzheng，wanchengrenzhengsijiyouxianpipeijidaomangquanxiedaiyonghu，bingqiezaifadanheshiyongfuwuguochengdangzhong，duiyusijiheyonghudouyouduocitishi，womenhuitixingsijizheishidaomangquandingdan，niyinggaizuodaozenmeyangdefuwu，womentixingyonghu，ninxianzaizhengzaishiyongwomendedaomangquanchuxingfuwu，womenhuiyouxianpaidan，meidanjieshuzhihou，jisijijianglihebutie，shuangxiangcujinzheigeshiqing，tishengdajiayiyuan。

dangwomenxidaoledaomangquanyonghudachedeshihou，womenfaxianhaiyaoxifen，zaitexurenqunlimianhaiyouyizhongtekun+texu。xianshangyeyougongyingjigoudetongren，zheifangmiannimengengzhuanye，duiyuchuxinggangxu，meizhouyaoquyiyuanliangcideniaoduzhenghuanzhe，tongshiyeshimangren；gueryuandefulimama，yaodaizheshengbingdehaiziqukanbing，danshitaxuyaoquzuogongjiaoche。duiyuzheiyangyiquntexutongshiyeyouyixiechuxingkunnanderen，womenjiulianheguoneidegongyijigou，qingtamenlaibangzhuwomenjinxingrenqundepingshen，pingshentongguoderenqun，womenhuizhichidaotamenzaigangxuchangjingxiadechuxingfeiyongbutie，rangtamenkeyizaigangxuchangjingxiamianfeishiyongwomenfuwu，zheishidisangecengmiangongyichuxingdexiangmu，woduiwuzhangaichuxinglijiekenenggengdayidian，zaigongyichuxingzhiwaizuolegongyixingzhedexiangmu，birushuozhijiaoxiangmulidezhijiaolaoshi，yijijindejiuzaiduiyuan，kunnanertong，shanluertongdengdeng。womenyijiejuechuxingweichufadian，chuxingwuzhangaicongpuhuixinxiwuzhangai，daodaomangquankehudewuzhangaichuxing，texutekunkehudechuxing，zaidaogongyixingzhedechuxingfuneng，ranhouquzhengtijiagoudidiwuzhangaixiangmudetixi。xiexie！

主持人（程艳青）：xiamianrangwangzongjieshaoyixiajinronglingyupuhuishizenmetuidongde？

王云峰：woshilaizizhadayinxingzhongguodekechixufazhanfuzongjian。womenshiguojixingdejinrongjigou，womenzongbuzaiyingguolundun，zaiquanshijiegediyouhenguangfandewangluofenbu，womendewangluofenbuyuyidaiyiluyoufeichanggaodezhonghedu，womenzaigegeguojiakaizhanyewutongshi，chulejihezuohuobantigongyouzhidejinrongchanpinhefuwuzhiwai，womenyefeichangzhuzhonghedangdishequdelianxi，womenhuifeichangzhuzhongyounaxieshequdeyiti，bingqiehuifahuijinrongjigoudetezhangfuwuzheigeyiti。

womenjintianhenduohezuojigou，baokuongodehuobanlaidaoxianchang，dajiaduizhongguocsrdefazhanguochengjinxingleyixiehuigu。gangcaixianggeweisuotanlundao，zhongguodecsrgongyideyuannianshi2008nianwenchuandizhenyihou，dajiakeyikandaofazhandemailuo，womencongjianggongyi，jiangcsrdengdeng，daowomenxianzaigengduojiangdeshichuangzaogongxiangjiazhi，yanzhezheitiaomailuofazhanxialai，womenkandaoyuelaiyueduodeqiyecongshicsr，congshikechixufazhandetongshi，huifeichangzhuzhongjiedingzhunquedeliyixiangguanfang，xianggangcaiwomenzhuchirentidaoguode，shiwomenguangdudewenti。

shouxian，womenyaorenshidaonaxierenshiwomenzuocsrshiyinggaiguanzhaodaodequnti，womencaikeyibazheigeguangduzhunquedejiedinghebawomenyitizhunquedeshezhichuqu，zhadaduiyuguangduderenshifenweisangeweidu。

diyigeshicongjingjifazhandejiaodushanglaikan，womengenwomendegudong，genwomendeyuangong，genwomendetouziren，womendoufeichangkanzhongwomenyaozuoyijiafuzerendeyinxing，womenzaishangyekechixuyouyidingdebaozheng，tongshiwomenbaochiyidingdejingjizengzhang。

diergebufen，zhuzhonggenhuanjingdeliangxingdehudong，zaiyunyingfangmianfeichangzhuzhonghuanbaohejieneng，zuoweijinrongjigoufeichangzhuyizuoyixiekechixudetourongzi，tongguojinrongchanpindeshezhi，laigenghaodefuwuyulvsehehuanbaodediqiu。

disandianshizaishequdecengmian，womenfeichangzhuzhongzaiyigediqufazhanshichangyewu，zheigediquxuyaojiejuedeshehuihehuanjingwentishishenme？womennengzuoshenme？

gangcaiwojiangdaosangeweidudesheding，zheishiyigedafanweidepuhuidelijie。suoxiaoyidianfanwei，danchunconggongyijiaodushanglaijiang，womenduipuhuirenzhiyouzhunquedejieding，womenshenbianyouxuyaoguanzhudeqingshaonian，yinweiqingshaonianduiwomenjianglaizhenggeshehuidefazhanshiyoufeichangzhongyaodezuoyong，qingshaonianfazhanhaobuhao，zhijieguanxidaowomenweilai。womenhuitongguowomenyouyigefuturemakersdexiangmu，jiqingshaonianjiaoyu、chuangyehejiuyefangmiandefuchi，cong2019nianzaizhongguoquanmiankaizhanzheigexiangmuzhihou，womentongguogenchuangxingzheixiehezuohuoban，gongtongjiqingnianzuoyixiechuangxinchuangyefangmiandefuchi，tongguoliangnianhezuo，fugai5000duomingdaxuesheng，tongguodaxueshengdeshehuichuangxinshijian，jinyibujiejueshehuihehuanjingdewenti。yishangshiwoduipuhuiwentiderenshi。

主持人（程艳青）：qingnianrenweizhuyaozhuashoufushegengduodediqu，chanshenggengduoyuandejiazhijiejuefangan。gangcaitidaohenduocizhenaimengxiangdeweilingmishuzhang，conghenduoqiyepinpailaikan，ninduifazhansuyangjiaoyuyoushenmekanfa？

韦玲：xiexiezhuchiren，xiexiezaichanghenduohuoban，wodaibiaoshanghaizhenaimengxianggongyijijinhuizuoyigefenxiang，woyikaishijiedaojiemianyaoqingdeshihou，shuojintianwutaihenpiaoliang，beijing、shanghaigenguojifadachengshichabudale，danshizhongguotaidale，zhongguodegegechengshifazhanchayitaidale。woganggangcongsichuandaliangshanhuilai，daliangshanpingjunmeigejiatinghaiziyou4dao5ge，shenzhiduode10jige，fumuhuisonghaizimenquxuexiaodezhuyaoyuanyin，bushiyinweijieshoudaoduomehaodejiaoyu，ershixuexiaolimianguanfanchi。

congshanghailaikanquanguo，womenfaxianzhengtidejingjifazhanzhuangkuangyouhendadechayi，jiaoyushuipingyouhendadechayi。jiaoyushiyigegetihuozheyigejiatinggaibiangerenmingyunfeichangzhongyaodetujinghequdao，ruguojiaoyudeziyuanwufazuodaojunhengdehua，kenengwomenhenduomuqianchuzaibijiaoruoshidequnti，hennantongguozishendenuliqudaodashijiedelingwaiyigedifang，zheigejiushiwomenshanghaizhenaimengxianggongyijijinhuifaqichenglidechuxin。

womenshiyijiaminjiandegongyijigou，chengliyu2008nian。womendeshimingheyuanjingshixiwangtongguofazhansuyangjiaoyu，tuidongjiaoyujunheng，yijiaoyucujinshehuidejinbu。womenxiwangnenggoubangzhuhaizimenzixin、congrong、youzunyandichengzhang。zaizheiyanghongdadeshimingheyuanjingzhixia，womenzuolenaxiegongzuoni？womenyong12niandeshijian，dazaomengxiangzhongxindegongyichanpin，jixuexiaodeyingjiansheshi，limianbaohanlexianjindedianzishebei，jihaizimenshiyongdetushu，haiyoukeyiyidongdezhuoyi。tongshijixuexiaolimiandelaoshitigongjiaoshipeixun，yinweiwomenmuqianhenduotizhineidelaoshiyiranzhuanzhuzaiyingshijiaoyuzhishideshurushang，danshiduiyuruhesuzaohaiziquanmianpinge，peiyangyingduiweilaitiaozhandenengli，shibutailejiede。womenhuijidaoguanyusuyangjiaoyuzheifangmiandepeixun。tongshifeichangzhongyaodeshi，womenzaihuadongshifandaxuekechengsuodedailingxia，yongshijiniandeshijian，yanfachu37mengensuyangjiaoyuxiangguandekecheng，zheixiekechenghuiyoudangdidelaoshi，zaidangdimengxiangzhongxinjiaoshilimianyidaidaichuanshou，zheishizuizhuyaodegongyixiangmu。

guoqu12niandeshijianli，womenyijingzaiquanguo31geshengshijianshelechaoguo4000jiandemengxiangzhongxin，zaisuoyoudiyudefenbushang，yizhongxibujuduo，qizhong70%doujizhongzaiqianfadadequyu，womenzaibeijing、shanghaiyeyou，danshihuijizhongzaijiaoquyixiedequyu，huozheshimingongzidixuexiaolimian。congpuhuixingshangmianlaijiang，zhiqianwokandaozhuchirentidaozheigewentideshihou，jiurenweiwomenjiushiweilepuhuixingershengde，zheigejiushiwomenzuoweigongyijigoutianransuozaideshuxing。

zaiwomenzhongxibudiqulimian，womenyouyiguizhoushengmengxiangzhongxinshuliangjuduo，you380duojian，jiejin400jian。tongshiyunnanhesichuandeshuliangyefeichangduo，womenhuizhenduitedingderuoshiquntizuoyixietedingdebangfu，birujilinshengguerxuexiao，xianzaishigaimingweijilinshengzhuanyexuexiao，tabenshenshiquanyazhouguershuliangzuiduodeyisuoxuexiao。zheigexuexiaolimiandajiakenenghennanxiangxiang，zhengfutigongfeichanghaodetiaojian，tamendejiaoshihentebie，youshoukedelaoshi，haiyoushenghuolaoshi，danshishenghuolaoshizhinengpeizhehaizimenduanliantamenbibeidechuanyifu，shuayadengyixiejichudeshenghuojineng，bunengdailaigengduo，erqieshenghuolaoshihenduoshijianshilangfeide。suoyiwomenzhenduizheigexuexiaotigonglehentebiedekewaiban，yijijidaoshenghuolaoshijinengshangdefuzhu，rangzheixiehaiziliyongkeyushijianjinxingshenghuopeiyang，biruhongbeihebiedezhiyezhinengdefazhan。yinweizheixiehaiziqueshaofumudeguanai，tahenyoukenengduwanchuzhonghuozhegaozhongjiumeiyoubanfazaijinxiu，tajiuyaojinrudaoshehuilimianqule。zheishiwomenpuhuishangmianzuodehendadandechangshihenuli。gongyijigoutianrandaiyoupuhuixingzheigeshuxing，womenyongyuanzuobuchadegongzuo。

主持人（程艳青）：womenduigongyitezhidemiaoshufeichangxijiehua，feichangshenrudaoshenghuodexijie，shenrudaoxuqiudexijie，zheiyangdexijie，zheiyangdeyoushi，youqingoheqiyeduizheiyangxijieshenshendedongcha，rangwomenhenduoqiyedeshijianzhe，faxianyixiexindejihui，xindekanfahexindeguandian，zheishiwomenchuangxindeyuandongli。

diergewenti，congwomenchuangxinjiaodulaichufa，xinguanyiqingyongyigecilaixingrongqiyeshi“jizhongshengzhi”，zhenggewuziduanquezenmejiejue？haiwaidegoutongzenmejiejue？gongyedefuchanzenmejiejue？zheigeguochengdangzhonghenduocanyuzhekandaolezaicanyushehuiwentijiejuedeguochengdangzhongdaijiwomendexinjihui，zheibujinjinzhishichanpinfuwudechuangxin，haikenengshizuzhidechuangxin，jihuidechuangxin，shenzhishiqiyelingdaowenhuadechuangxin。shouxianyouqingzhuxiaobinjiaoshoucongzheigeweidufenxiang。

朱小斌：xiexiezhuchiren，dajiahao！womenlingjiaogongfangshifeichangtebiedejigou，shichengjiuminyingqiyedejiaoyujigou。womenfeichangxiwangtuidongzhongguominyingqiye，huodeshangyejiazhiheshehuijiazhidegongying，zhenghaoyinghejintianxiawushuodeyilibingju。jintiantaishangsanweilaiziwaiziqiye，zhiyoudidilaiziminyingqiye，zhengmingzhongguodeminyingqiyeyaoxiangguojilingxiandeqiyexuexi。

womentuidongzhongguominyingqiyedelizigendajiafenxiangyixia，zaipuhuihechuangxinlingyulimian，tamenzuoleshenmeyangyouyisideshiqing，yinweipuhuizheijianshiqing，woyerenweiqishiyaotiaotuochulai，womenduiyusuoweidepinkundiqu，huozheruoshiquntipuhuidegainian，womenshenchuchengshidangzhongmeigeren，zaiyixietebiedechanpinhefuwushangmian，yeshifeichangxiquede。

jintianzaizuogeweiyouyigedongxi，kenenghuishiyigexiquepin。wojuyigelizi，ruguoyouxinnaoxueguanjibinghuanzhedaodizuijiadejiuyuanshijianshiduozhangshijian？4fenzhong。ruguoni4fenzhongdebudaoyouxiaodejiuyuan，shengmingweixianfeichangda，danshinishenbianruguoyourenchuxianzheiyangyizhongqingkuang，niquhujiaojiuhuche，4fenzhongyineigandaogailvshifeichangfeichangdide，suoyiwomenmeigerenshenbiandoufeichangquefazheiyangdefuwu——zai4fenzhongzhineinenggouhuodeyouxiaojiuzhudefuwu。womenyouyijiaminyingqiyejiaogantangmingshan，tashishenzhendeyijiacanyinqiye。tadepinpaiyouhenduo，baokuotanyu、cailandianxin，zheijiaqiyedechuangxinzhichuzainali？tahezhongguodeyijiagongyingqiye，jiaodiyifanying，lianggetuanduizuohenshenrudejiaoliugoutong，zheijiacanyinqiyezai300duojiamendianzuoyijianshiqing，peixunzaicanyindiandeyuangongzuojijiushi，zaitamendianlimianfangzhiaedshebei，yuangongchengweijijiushiyihou，xiangzhoubiandeshequzhaomu，ruguoyuanyilaixuejijiushide，doukeyilaimendianxueruhezuojijiushi。canyuyuangongliudonglvfeichangdi，yuangongdedaozheiyangdepeixun，binghuodejijiushirongyuyihou，zaimendiangongzuoreqingzhuangtaibuyiyangde，tajuedetadegongzuo，shishouhumendianyifangshequde，nimenzhoubianshequyourenhewenti，lijidadianhuadaowomendian，womendianrenherenjubeijijiushidenengli，bingqieyoujijiushebei，daozhiyuangongzhuangtai、reqingtigao，liudonglvjiangdi，kaishiduiqiyejiazhiguanrentongganzengqiang，zheishitamenfaxiandechengguo。youyigemendianmenkoushiguangchang，youtiaoguangchangwude100duoweiayi，neixieayizhaojizhongwudoudaotaneibianchifan，haiyouzhoubiandeyehaozhaodaotadianlichifan。ruguoqiyegengongyijigou，gongyiqiyezuochuangxinshezhi，bujinjinshehuizerendefuchu，haiyouyuangonghejiazhiguanderentonggan，xiaofeizhederentong，zheixiedoushishishizaizaidehuibao。

ruguoyouzhongguodegengduominyingqiyewangzheigefangxiangqusikaodehua，neimezhongguodeminyingqiyekenengzaizheigefangxiangshanghuiyougengduodehaodeshijianchulai，yenenggouranggengduodeqiyequxuexi，woxianzaiyehenxinweidizhidaoleyouhaojijiadaxingcanyinqiyedouqugantangmingshanxuexi，tamenyeshuo，jibaishangqianjiaqiyezuozheigeshiqing，zhongguoshangbaiwancanyinqiyejubeizheiyangjijiudefuwu，xiaoqupangbianzuiduodemendianjiushicanyinmendian，nisuishizouliangbu，kendingnengkandaoyigecanyinmendianjubeijijiufuwu。puhuixingchuangxinxing，henhaodechengxianchulai，womenjiaoyujigou，qiyehemeitijiedepengyoumenyiqilaituidongqiyewangzheiyangdefangxiangjinfa。

主持人（程艳青）：xiexiezhujiaoshoucongzheiyangdeanlituiguangjianjupuhui、chuangxindemoshi。，zuiguangfandeshequminyingqiyedegangxu，shehuiqiyeheshehuizuzhi，minyingqiyefazhandehangkongmujian。zheishiwomenjiandaochuangxindehezuomoshi，qishiyeshiyingyoudehezuomoshi，yinggaigengguangfandeyingyongqilai。

jiexialaiwomenxiangqingwangzonglaifenxiangyixia，nigangcaitidaodezaidaxueshengdejiaodu，youmeiyougengduodeshehuidongchahechuangxinanli。

王云峰：xiexiezhuchiren。worenweizheigexiangmudechuangxindian，jiushiwomenshouyidequntiganshoubijiaoshendeyidian。womentongguofunengdaxuesheng，jiehewomengongsibenshendeyewutedian，bachuantonggongyixiangmu，fuyuyixiebutaiyiyangdejiazhi。gangcaiyoujiangdao，womenfuturemakers qizhongyouyigezhongyaodexiangmujiaozuoweilaiqiyejia，tongguofunengdaxuesheng，bangzhudaxueshengzuoshehuichuangxindeshijian，gaishanwomenshehuihuanjingdewenti。suoweideshehuichuangxinbushiyongdanchundejuanzeng，yicixingdejuanzhu，bangfudefangshizuoxiangmu，ershiyongshangyekexingdefanganjiejuewenti。jinnianfuchideqingnianchuangyexiangmuyouyigejiaozuo“yilvxiangcheng”，zheigexiangmudetuanduilaiziguangdongyaokedaxue，tamenzuizaokandaozhongguozaichuyangzhiguochengzhong，jiroukangshengsucanliudewentifeichangyanzhong，yangzhihuweilekuodayangzhideguimo，tigaocunhuolv，kenengjijiheyaweihenduokangshengsu，qinleimeiyoubanfawanquandaixiechuqu，zuihouhuijinrurenti，zuizhongxingchengshipinanquandeyinhuan。zheixiexueshengfeichangyouxianjinxingdikandaozheigewenti。tamenshenghuodedifangshiguangdong，guangdongdexinhuishichenpizhixiang，dangdihuizhongzhihenduodeganju，dangdidegannonghuiyonghenduodejupi，jupiyongwanzhihou，jurouhenduojiufeiqile，ranhouhuichanshenghuanjingwuran。tongxuemenjiubazheigeganroushoujiqilai，fajiao，shengchengyizhongjiaosuyingyangsu，yongjiaosuyingyangsutidaikangshengsujiqinleiyangzhihushiyong，zheiyifangmiankeyitigaohuoqincunhuolv，tigaoshengchanjiazhi，gongxianyudangdixunhuanjingjizaixunhuanhezaishiyong。yangjichangdejifenyafenkeyiyanggengduodeganrouganju，ranhouzuogenghaodejunleijiaosu。

womenweilaiqiyejiaxiangmuzenmebangzhuqiyejiatuandui，shouxianjishehuichuangxintuanduizuojibendepeixunjiaoyu，jiaotamenzenmeconghaodechuangyibianchengchengshudeshangyongfangan，congcaiwuguanli，fengxianguanlizuoyixiezhuanyefangmiandejianyi，bangzhutongxuemenbachuangyibianchengchengshudeshangyefangan。

womenqicigenngo、gongyijigouyiqi，zuoquanguoguimodedaxueshengshehuichuangxindasai，tongguobutongtuanduizhijiandedapinhejingzheng，jinyibubaxiangmudamochenggengchengshudeshangyemoshi，tongguowomenfuneng，zheigexiangmuxianzaiyijingzhucelechenggongdegongsi，yijingshixiaoyouguimodechuchuangqiyele。womenrenweichuangxinshifaxianbijiaohaodekeyifuchideyixiejigouhuozhetuanti，tongguowomenyinxingdeyixiezhuanyedejineng，tongguorongzidejigouhuozhepingtai，bangzhuyouzhiyuchengweiweilaiqiyejia，youzhiyuzuoshehuichuangxindedaxueshengpengyou，zuogengduodeshiqing，shixianzijigengdadelixiang。

daxueshengzaishijianguochengdangzhong，duiyushehuizerenderenzhigengjiashenru，congertigaotamenjieheshehuixuqiu，shichangxuqiudetigongjiejuefangandechuangxinnengli，zheishichuangxinjizhixiangmudegenben。

主持人（程艳青）：xianzaihuanbaoyitixia，zai2020tanzhonghemubiaoxia，xiangxinyougengduoxinrenwu。cailiaochuangxinlingyuyounaxieqingkuang？

戈剑宏：sidaolaensuoyongyouyue800niandelishi，ruguobushiyizhizaichuangxin，zheijiagongsibuhuishengcundaoxianzai。

rujin，suizhedianzihuayuelaiyuepuji，renmenduizhidexuqiuyuelaiyueshao。yiqingyejiasulezheizhongxuqiudejianshao，biruwomenhenduoouzhoutongshidouzaijialibangong，xuanchuanyongzhi、wenhuayongzhidexuqiudouzaimanmanxiaoshi，zheizhongxiaoshishibukenide。zaizhongguo，haiyouhenduoxueshengdejiaoyuyongshuyijiyixiedangzhengkanwushigangxu，danzaioumei，yinshuapinyijinglixiaoshibuyuanle。dangranyiqingyejiwomendailaileyidingdeshangji，zaizhenggeyiqingxia，dajiaduibaozhuangdexuqiuzengjiale。xianzaiyuelaiyueduoderenxiguanyuwangshanggouwuhuozheshiwaimai，jiashangdajiaduiyujiankangdezhongshi，yijiyixiexiaofeiguanniandegaibian，zaimouxietedingdexifenshichang，jiwomendailaileyidingdeshangji。suizheguojiaxiansulingdebuduantuijin，zhenduizhisu、zhiban——jianglaijidanenggouqudaiyicixingbukejiangjiesuliaodeyuancailiao，womenzhengzaibuduanjinxingyanfa。

duiyuyigejiaochuantongdexingyelaijiang，chuangxinshibixude，erqiebixujiakuaijiaobu，fouzeqiyehennanzaijingzhengshichangshangshengcunxialai。

主持人（程艳青）：disangewentishihuihuidaogaodushang，woxiangxinsuoyouwomenjianxingshehuizerendeqiyeyehao，xiangguandezuzhipingtaiyehao，xiangyaozaizheigelingyulidadaomubiao，womenruhequyingyongzijideyingxiangli？xiangxinwutaishangdemeiyiwei，zaijiazhishang，huanbaoshangyoukandejianderenliwulicaili，kanbujiandechuangxin，goutongdengdeng。womenzongjiedeshihou，womenruhedingyiwomendeyingxianglini？shouxianyouqingdididezhenzhenzongjian。

罗真真：xiexiezhuchiren，qishiwojuededajiazuoqiyedouhuizuoshehuizeren。danshiwomenqiyefeichanghexindeyigelinianjiushilianjiezijidehexinnengliheziyuanranhouzuochuchayihua，zheishiwomenguanyuhexinyingxiangliguanzhudehuati。

jinnianyiqingqijianwuhanfengcheng，1yue23ri，fengchengzhihou，qiyemenkangkaijienang，zhichidaoyixiandezhanyidangzhong，dangshiwomengaocengyeshizaichuxineitianlazheyixianyewufuzerenzaixianshangkaihui，womentantaozaiwuhanyixianxuyaodeshishenme？womendidizuiyouyoushiyaozuodeshishenme？womenyanzhezheilianggejiaojifuwuwuhanyihurenyuanchuxingxuqiu，womenyitianzhineichenglilediyigeyingjichedui，50gesijishifujiarujinlai，zai31gexiaoshizhinei，shangxianlewomendezhuanmenweiyihucheduidingzhidechuxingchanpin。gangcaitandaolianjieqiyedehexinnengli，diyigezuzhinengli，didizaihenduochengshikaicheng，zheilimianhenduodezuzhitixishiguanjian，womenyitianzhineizuzhichedui，qishizheigebeihouyuwomenkuaisuchenglisijizhaomuzu、sijifuwuzu、kefu，baokuowuzigongying，baozhengtamenyouzhanyiwuzizhichitamenzuozheigeshiqing，zheigehehoumiandetixiyouguan，wojuedeshiwomenhexinnenglidetixian。zheishiyizhongnenggoukuaisudequshixianjiazhidenengli，youyingxianglideyigeqibu。

dierdianhexinnengli，shizuoweiyijiahulianwanggongsiwomendechanpinnengli。ganggangtidao31gexiaoshi，shangxianledingzhideyihuchedui。womendangshiputongrendakaishitingshidezhuangtai，womenyaorangyihurenyuanhezhiyuansijitamenzhengchangdakaiapp，keyidaodingzhideyemian，dancifuwuwanchengzhihou，xianshichechengfuwushiling，suoyousijifuwufei，haiyouwuzifuwufeiyongdoushididiyigongyidexingchengzhifude。zaizheigecengmianshangkuaisurangzheigedongxipaoqilai，yeshiyizhonghexinnengli。woxiangtongguozheigeanlijiang，womenkaolvshehuiyingxianglideshihou，womenhexinquguanzhude，haishiwomenzijishehuixuyaodeshishenmehewomenhexinyaozuodeshishenme？yaojiyuzheixieshizhanwomendeyingxiangli。

zuihoushuodaodididecsr，womenyouzijiyingxiangligaikuojiaozuomeigerendoushishenghuodexingzhe，womengetiaoxianweiraozheiyangyigelinianjinxingfazhan，zai“didixingzhe”limian，duiyuyonghulaijiang，dajiachuxinglaidaozheiyangyigemeihaodechanghe，womenyiqitaolunshehuizerenzheigemeihaohuati，qishizheijiushizheiyicichuxingdeyiyi，womenshouhuolezheifenmeihaohezeren，meigerenmeiyicichuxingdoushiyouyiyide，congzheigejiaodushangjiang，meigerenshishenghuodexingzhe。duiyusijilaijiang，kenengcongzhiyedeweidudajiajuedeshilaokantabeiyingdesijishifu，danshizuoweiyigeyouxueyourouderen，tayeshifumu，yeshiernv，yeshiqizihuozhezhangfu，suoyiwomenzaicsrdejiaodu，womenyouwomendechengguojihua，zhichisijizinvdejiaoyufazhan，youwomendeguanaijijin，duisijijiatingjinxingrendaozhuyijiuzhu，yeyouwomenzhengnengliangzailushang，duizhengnengliangjijinjinxingjiangliheshehuiganzhixuandao，shiweiraosijidexingzhejiazhidejucuo。

zuihouchungongyidebufen，womenyezhichihenduogongyidexingzhe，xiangzhijiaolaoshi，jiuzaiduiyuan，womenjitagaikuoxingluxiangqian，xinluxiangshan，meigeliyixiangguanfang，congyonghudaosiji，daoshehuishanggengduodezhiyuanrenshi，yongxingzhedegainiantigongwomenyingxiangli，buduandijinxingduihuahegongming，rangjiazhiyougengduodegandonghefazhan。

主持人（程艳青）：youyiyidechuxing，yitoulianzhexingzhederen，lingyitouliantongzhesitongbafang，zheishixindemeihaodingyi。

lishazongjianninzenmedingyizijideyingxianglini？

李莎：bddechanpin、jishuhefuwuyumeigerendeshengmingzhouqidouxixixiangguan，congjiankangrendeyimiaozhushe，daohuanzheruyuanyaozuojiancha，yaozuozhenduan，yaozuozhiliao，zuoshuhouhuifu，shenzhichuyuanyihoudaojiatinghuli，womendounenggoutigongquanliuchengdexiangguanyiliaojiejuefangan。womengongsigongyizhanlvedezhongdianweisidafangmian：funv、ertong、laorenhehuanbao，yuwosisuoshejideyiliaoyewulingyujitebieguanzhuderuoshirenqunyouguan。shuo

zaizuogeweihenduoshiweirenfumude，xiaohaiyidaoyiyuandazhen，mashanghuihenkunao。keyilijie，haizidoumenfeichanghaipachouxuezhazhen，jiyuzheiyangdexuqiu，zuoweixiangguanyiliaojiankangchanpinhefuwudetigongzhe，womenjuedezijiyeyouyiwubangzhuyiyuandeshiyongzhebaokuohushi、yishengnenggouqubangzhuxiaohaijianshaoduizhentoudekongjugan，yincitebiekaifalezheiyangdegongyixiangmu。

zheigexiangmufenchengjigejieduan，diyijieduandeshihou，xiandazaoyigeyouhaodeyiyuanhuanjing，womenbangzhuyiyuanjianliyiyuanyouxishi，bazhuyuandehuanzhe，birubaixuebinghuaner，xuyaoyaoduocijinxinggusuidezhazhen，zaibirushuohuanshenbingdeertonghuanzhe，yeshiyaojingchangyaojinxingzhangqicaixue，huozheshiqitazhuyuandexiaopengyoumen。zhenduizhuyuandezheixiehuaner，tamenduizhentoudekongju，biputongdaoyiyuanqukanbingdexiaopengyougengjiamingxian。yinciwomenkaifaleyitaozhuanyefudaogongju，baokuojinxingguozhuanyepeixundebdzhiyuanzhetuandui，daogejidiyiyuangenxiaopengyoumenjinxinghudong。womenhaiyaoqingzhuanyelaoshijiyiyuandeyihurenyuanjinxingpeixun，bangzhutamengenghaodiqugenxiaopengyoujihuanerjiazhanggoutong，rangertongjianshaojiuyikongjugan。

yuzhadayinxingtongdaofenxiangdeleisi，womenyetongguocigongyixiangmujiyiyuandeyiwurenyuanfuneng，zaizishentigongyiliaoyongpin、zuolinchuangshiyongpeixun--yingshilidepeixuntongshi，womenyibingtongguoyiliaoyouxifudaoxiangmutigong“ruanshili”funeng，yiciranghuanernengkuaisuyouxiaojiuyi，dadatigaoyiyuanzhenliaodexiaolv。zheigegongyixiangmuyunyingxialaihou，dedaoyiyuankehudedalihuanying，zhenzhengbangtamenjiejuelehenduoshijidewenti。zhengsuowei“shourenyu，bingshourenyiyu。”

tangniaobingyeshidajiafeichangguanzhudejiankanghuati，zhongguoshitangniaobingdaguo，shoubuliangyinshixiguanheshenghuofangshidegaibiandeyingxiang，dangdaishehuihenduoren40jisuijiukaishilihuantangniaobing，haiyougengduolaoniantangniaobinghuanzhe，tamendaduoshizaijiazixingjinxingtangniaobingyidaosuzhushe，erzhushezhentoudesuiyiyiqi，rongyiyinqihuanweigongrendezhencishangfengxian。womenyujiangongjituan、huanbaodanweihexiangguandegongyijigouhezuo，tongguoduitangniaobingzhentoudehuishou，faqigongyihuanbaoxiangmu。zheigehuodongxiaoguofeichanghao，tangyoujiubatadeyidaosuzhentoushoujiqilai，diuzaisuliaokuangquanshuipinglimianhuidaoyiyuan。haiyouxieyiyuanzifaxingdong，huijiyutahuishouduoshaofeiqizhentou，zengsongtaxiangyingdezhentou。zheizhongjiyouhuanbaodelinian，younengcujintangniaobinghuanzhegongyidejucuo，dedaolehuanbaodanweidekending，womenweicijingxinpaishelegongyishipin，zaigedameitiheshipinappshangjinxinglefabu，xiaoguofeichanghaode。

qianmianjiangdaolaonianren，zuihoujiangyixiafunv，womenbdzaifunvliangaishaicha，ruxianaihezigongjingaifangmiandouyouxiangyingdeyiliaochanpinhejiejuefangan，womenzuolehenduogongyidexiangmu，tuidongfunvtigaoshaichayishi，changxianggengjiankangdeshenghuo。dajiazhidaoma？nvxingzigongjingaishiweiyitongguozaoqishaichakeyizhiyudeaizheng，huoxuzheiduiguangdananxingtongbaoyouyidianyihan，zhiyounvxingyouzheiyangdefuli，suoyitigaoguangdafunvdezaoshaiyishifeichangzhongyao。yizhiyilai，womenchixuyuyouguanhuobanhezuo，jubanguoxuduoquanguoxingdegongyixiangmu，youyushijiandeguanxi，zaicijiubutebiezhuishule，womenkeyixianxiazaijiaoliu。xiexie！

主持人（程艳青）：gennanxingxiangguanbugao，danshigenjiatingxiangguan，buzhidaokenengshizuikepade。zaizuogeweidouyijinglejiedaole，henduoyouguanzijidehaizi、jiating、lingyibankeyiyoudejiankangqudao。youqingwomendezhuxiaobinlaoshi，jiugangcaidehuati，congqiyejiaquntidejiaodu，zaitamentuidongmeihaoqiyechengjiudeguochengdangzhong，zenmedingyizheigeshehuiyingxianglide？jiwomenzuoyigejiedu。

朱小斌：wobutaixihuanyongqiyeshehuizerenheyingxiangliyingxiangqiyejia，wojingchanggentamenshuo，wobuxiangyongnimencsrdeyusuan，woxiwangyongtamendeguanggaoyusuan，yijiyongtamenyuangongpeixundeyusuan，zheilianggeyusuannengnayixiechulaiyilibingju。shehuizerentourujibaiwan，zaizenmenachulai，zenmenenggouzuoyixiezhenzhengjiejueshehuiwentidecuoshi？guanggaodetouruyiniantoujigeyi，zheizhongchuantongdeguanggao，jiazhihechuanbodailaidehuibaodexiaolvshiyuelaiyuedi，weishenmebuzuoyixiexindechangshi。

womenshehuichuangxinshinenggouzhenzhengshendudadongxiaofeizhe，zaixiaofeizhequntilimian，duinichanpinhefuwu，jinxingshendulianjie，shifeichangzhidewomentouruziyuanquzuode。qizhongbaokuoyuangongdepeiyang，wofaxianwomenyouhenduoqiye，rangyuangongzuoyixieshehuichuangxindeshiqing，quzuoyixiechuangzaoxingdegongyideshiqing，tamenbiandeyuelaiyueyouningjuli，bichuantongdepeixun，tuanjianhaodeduo，weishenmebubazheixieqianzuozheixieshiqingni？qiyejiuhuimanmankandao，tadexiaofeizhegentashendudelianjie、tadeyuangonggenqiyeshendudelianjiedeshixian，yidankandaozheigedongxi，qiyejiuhuiyuanyiqutourule，xiaofeizhedaijiqiyedeyingxiang，heyuangongsuonengdaijiqiyedeyingxiang，wojuedeshifeichangjudade。jintianhaishiyongzheiyangbutongdeshijiaokanyingxianglidewenti。

主持人（程艳青）：feichangxiexiezhulaoshi，bukuishiwomenpingtai，kanguoneimeduoshanshanshuishui，diandaozuitongdedifang。womenxianshangneibuwaibudoushihuaxiaoqianbandashi，womenjintianzhengmingyidian，huazuiduodeqiankeyichanshenggengdadeyingxiangli。zheiguanhuqiye、guanhushehui、guanhumeilizhongguodejianshe，gengzhongyaodeshi，womenzuizhongyaoderenxuyaomeihaodeshenghuo。

jintiandeyuanzhuoluntanjiudaozheili。xinkugewei。ganxiedajiadelingting。